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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: RFC: [PATCH] Buttons for applet handles
From:       John Firebaugh <jfirebaugh () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-07-06 21:47:55
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On Friday July 06, 2001 1:52 pm, Ian Reinhart Geiser wrote:
> On Friday July 06, 2001 4:23 pm, John Firebaugh wrote:
> > > Yes the idea that the UI needs to be self explanitory is a noble
> > > idea, and one we should try to achive but on a 1024x768 screen a
> > > close box will be: A)	indesernable from anything else on the kicker
> > > 	B)	hard to hit
> > > 	C)	will still require MORE documentation to tell them what the
> > > little red blob actually does.
> >
> > If this is true, then we also have a problem with KDockWidget, because
> > the appearance and functionality is nearly identical. I'm running at
> > 1024x768, A isn't true. If B is true, then it's no worse then than
> > things are now, because you'd still have to hit the same area with the
> > right mouse button. With a tooltip and the universal use of X for close
> > and an arrow for a popup menu, I don't think C is an issue (btw, it's
> > not a red blob -- again, please actually _apply_ the patch and tell me
> > again if you still believe the above).
>
> 	i did apply it, and while handy when you get use to it, it still does
> take some getting use to. I also use my kicker in tiny mode so it is not
> usable at all in that mode.  If everyone used large mode i would be for
> it, but the kicker is just too smal. I really thing it is much saner to
> just display a tooltip and put something in ktip.  It is only my opinion
> but I think it really only clutters the handle.

Ok, what if there was only the arrow button, no close button?

> 	I guess I am thinking that placeing buttons on these handles is not
> 	productive.  If anything we should swap the button accelerators on the
> 	handle.  Since you can move the button via the menu, make the menu pop
> up clicking on the handle normal.

The problem with that is that it is inconsistent with the rest of kde, 
where a popup menu is always indicated by an arrow button, and something 
that is dragable is indicated by the racing stripes.

> 	I do not mean to be so offiensive in this matter but i really do not
> think the X and the triangle aid in the UI.  I think we need to fix the
> UI instead of adding more.

No offense taken. :-) I just think that something _has_ to be added so the 
ability to remove applets isn't hidden.

later,
John

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