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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: The filedialog, please read
From:       weis <weis () stud ! uni-frankfurt ! de>
Date:       1999-11-04 22:54:23
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Hi,

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Richard Moore wrote:

> 
> 
> pbrown@redhat.com wrote:
> > 
> > OK I am not going to quote all the points that have been made and then
> > systematically try to win the debate.  :)
> > 
> > KFileDialog is a nice attempt.  I'm not saying it can't be a great dialog.
> > But the simple fact is _right now_, it is _broken_.  And it has been
> > broken for _ages_.
> > 
> > QFileDialog is _not_ broken.
> 
> To be honest I would say it is broken by design - it is simply not
> flexible enough. You have nowhere near enough control over the look
> and feel. It is not finished enough to make the release Qt version,
> so why should we use it in KDE? QFD has been crap for as long as I
> have been using Qt and has not been fixed despite this being hammered
> home time and again - I know Reggie's version is all new and improved,
> but if it is as shit hot as you say then please answer the following:
> 
> - Why isn't released?
> - Can you use it embedded in an apps view?
> - Can you reuse the view widgets?
> - Why does it replicate so many of the UI design bugs that have been
> repeatedly identified with the MS dialog? See the GUI hall of shame.
> Note that some of these problems have been fixed in some recent MS
> apps.
> - Can you use single click?
> - Can you add new types of view?
> - Can you customise the tool bar?
> - Can you make the toolbar a KToolBar?
> - Does it really have to look as bad as it does in Motif L&F?
> - Can you use it with 'virtual' file systems (eg. to navigate data
> structures)?
> - Why has noone from Troll been asking us how we would like it to
> work? If you Trolls are so gung-ho about us using it we should have
> been involved in the design. This has been an ongoing issue with the
> KDE-Troll association, and sadly the increase in the number of KDE
> developers working for Troll seems to be making it worse rather than
> better. I am deeply unhappy. Perhaps I should start working on Harmony

If you want me to stop working on KDE, I can arrange that :-)
Would give me heaps of money!

I really hate the attitudes that showed up in this discussion.

I will work on Qt now for the next weeks. Lets see, perhaps I have KDE
time left after that ...

Bye
Torben

> rather than KDE? ;-)
> 
> Note of the above are just me pissing in the wind - they are all
> possible with KFD.
> 
> Most of the issues people have raised with KFD have been either wrong
> or trivial fixes. In fact several have been caused by work arounds
> for annoying limits in Qt (such as poor support for single click
> operation), or people working on implementing the missing features
> that have been raised. In place editing, for example is possible, but
> I am not happy with my implementation - until I find a cleaner way to
> do it, I won't be adding it to kfile. I see more arguments for
> improving KFD than for using QFD - feel free to try to explain why
> I should think otherwise.
> 
> Your grumpily
> 
> Rich.
> -- 
>      Richard Moore		rich@ipso-facto.freeserve.co.uk
> http://www.robocast.com/	richard@robocast.com
> http://developer.kde.org/	rich@kde.org
> 
> 

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