From kde-core-devel Thu Nov 04 22:54:23 1999 From: weis Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:54:23 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: The filedialog, please read X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=94175610727454 Hi, On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Richard Moore wrote: > > > pbrown@redhat.com wrote: > > > > OK I am not going to quote all the points that have been made and then > > systematically try to win the debate. :) > > > > KFileDialog is a nice attempt. I'm not saying it can't be a great dialog. > > But the simple fact is _right now_, it is _broken_. And it has been > > broken for _ages_. > > > > QFileDialog is _not_ broken. > > To be honest I would say it is broken by design - it is simply not > flexible enough. You have nowhere near enough control over the look > and feel. It is not finished enough to make the release Qt version, > so why should we use it in KDE? QFD has been crap for as long as I > have been using Qt and has not been fixed despite this being hammered > home time and again - I know Reggie's version is all new and improved, > but if it is as shit hot as you say then please answer the following: > > - Why isn't released? > - Can you use it embedded in an apps view? > - Can you reuse the view widgets? > - Why does it replicate so many of the UI design bugs that have been > repeatedly identified with the MS dialog? See the GUI hall of shame. > Note that some of these problems have been fixed in some recent MS > apps. > - Can you use single click? > - Can you add new types of view? > - Can you customise the tool bar? > - Can you make the toolbar a KToolBar? > - Does it really have to look as bad as it does in Motif L&F? > - Can you use it with 'virtual' file systems (eg. to navigate data > structures)? > - Why has noone from Troll been asking us how we would like it to > work? If you Trolls are so gung-ho about us using it we should have > been involved in the design. This has been an ongoing issue with the > KDE-Troll association, and sadly the increase in the number of KDE > developers working for Troll seems to be making it worse rather than > better. I am deeply unhappy. Perhaps I should start working on Harmony If you want me to stop working on KDE, I can arrange that :-) Would give me heaps of money! I really hate the attitudes that showed up in this discussion. I will work on Qt now for the next weeks. Lets see, perhaps I have KDE time left after that ... Bye Torben > rather than KDE? ;-) > > Note of the above are just me pissing in the wind - they are all > possible with KFD. > > Most of the issues people have raised with KFD have been either wrong > or trivial fixes. In fact several have been caused by work arounds > for annoying limits in Qt (such as poor support for single click > operation), or people working on implementing the missing features > that have been raised. In place editing, for example is possible, but > I am not happy with my implementation - until I find a cleaner way to > do it, I won't be adding it to kfile. I see more arguments for > improving KFD than for using QFD - feel free to try to explain why > I should think otherwise. > > Your grumpily > > Rich. > -- > Richard Moore rich@ipso-facto.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.robocast.com/ richard@robocast.com > http://developer.kde.org/ rich@kde.org > >