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Subject: Re: Proposal: Mailing List owner policy
From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-08-26 1:16:13
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Unfortunately 9 UTC = 2 am here. But I will submit some notes about it. -v
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:28 PM Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> El dijous, 23 de juliol de 2020, a les 0:31:29 CEST, Albert Astals Cid va
> escriure:
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > One important part of mailing lists being healthy is
> owners/moderators[1].
> >
> > They moderate the lists, they help users that want to
> subscribe/unsubscribe but don't know how to, they enact emergency
> moderation in the very very seldom case that it is needed, etc.
> >
> > So to keep our mailing lists healthy we need to be sure to have healthy
> list owners.
> >
> > In plural, more than one, because from time to time, we go on vacation
> and the list duties still need taking care of.
> >
> > For that I'd like to enact this policy:
> >
> > Mailing lists should have at least 2 active owners, ideally 3
> [Obviously exceptions apply, like if we just started a mailing list to
> coordinate translators for a language that has no translation in KDE yet,
> we'd probably have no way to get 2 list owners]
> >
> > One keyword in that sentence is "active".
> >
> > Mailing list ownership/moderation un-activity is hard to detect.
> >
> > One way to potentially detect it, is by those summaries that sysadmin
> sends periodically for lists with lots of mails to moderate, but that
> doesn't cover all the cases.
> >
> > For example, it's possible that a mailing list has 2 owners and only one
> of them is inactive, since the other one is keeping the list in working
> condition we don't see it as a problem, but if that person goes on holiday,
> then it suddenly is.
> >
> > For that I'd like to enact this policy sub-point:
> >
> > Mailing list owners will be contacted every year asking if they are
> still active and if they want to continue being list owner or if they'd
> prefer we find a substitute.
> >
> > If they say "please find a substitute" or fail to answer in a given time
> frame (I'd say a month is fair), they will be removed as owners and in case
> the "at least 2 active owners, ideally 3" policy is broken we'll find a new
> person.
> >
> > Does that sound something like we could agree on?
> >
> > Then the big question is "who will do this work?" Because it seems quite
> a bit of work (albeit only once a year). I would suggest the Community
> Working Group does this, as it's a way to keep our community healthy, but i
> understand it's quite some work, so i volunteer to do it if the CWG doesn't
> feel this is a task they want to take on.
> >
> > Things I'm missing?
> >
> > Improvement suggestions?
>
> So it seems there was some agreement that is something that could improve
> but we didn't 100% agree on what to do. I've scheduled an Akademy BoF,
> hopefully we can reach to a conclusion there.
>
> https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2020/Tuesday#Room_02_-_8th_September
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Albert
> >
> > [1] yes, i know they are not the same, but since one is a subset of the
> other, let's pretend they are.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
--
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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<div dir="ltr">Unfortunately 9 UTC = 2 am here. But I will submit some notes about \
it. -v</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, \
Aug 25, 2020 at 2:28 PM Albert Astals Cid <<a \
href="mailto:aacid@kde.org">aacid@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">El dijous, 23 de juliol de 2020, a les 0:31:29 \
CEST, Albert Astals Cid va escriure:<br> > Dear Community,<br>
> <br>
> One important part of mailing lists being healthy is owners/moderators[1].<br>
> <br>
> They moderate the lists, they help users that want to subscribe/unsubscribe but \
don't know how to, they enact emergency moderation in the very very seldom case \
that it is needed, etc.<br> > <br>
> So to keep our mailing lists healthy we need to be sure to have healthy list \
owners.<br> > <br>
> In plural, more than one, because from time to time, we go on vacation and the \
list duties still need taking care of.<br> > <br>
> For that I'd like to enact this policy:<br>
> <br>
> Mailing lists should have at least 2 active owners, ideally 3 [Obviously \
exceptions apply, like if we just started a mailing list to coordinate translators \
for a language that has no translation in KDE yet, we'd probably have no way to \
get 2 list owners]<br> > <br>
> One keyword in that sentence is "active".<br>
> <br>
> Mailing list ownership/moderation un-activity is hard to detect.<br>
> <br>
> One way to potentially detect it, is by those summaries that sysadmin sends \
periodically for lists with lots of mails to moderate, but that doesn't cover all \
the cases.<br> > <br>
> For example, it's possible that a mailing list has 2 owners and only one of \
them is inactive, since the other one is keeping the list in working condition we \
don't see it as a problem, but if that person goes on holiday, then it suddenly \
is.<br> > <br>
> For that I'd like to enact this policy sub-point:<br>
> <br>
> Mailing list owners will be contacted every year asking if they are still \
active and if they want to continue being list owner or if they'd prefer we find \
a substitute.<br> > <br>
> If they say "please find a substitute" or fail to answer in a given \
time frame (I'd say a month is fair), they will be removed as owners and in case \
the "at least 2 active owners, ideally 3" policy is broken we'll find a \
new person.<br> > <br>
> Does that sound something like we could agree on?<br>
> <br>
> Then the big question is "who will do this work?" Because it seems \
quite a bit of work (albeit only once a year). I would suggest the Community Working \
Group does this, as it's a way to keep our community healthy, but i understand \
it's quite some work, so i volunteer to do it if the CWG doesn't feel this is \
a task they want to take on. <br> > <br>
> Things I'm missing?<br>
> <br>
> Improvement suggestions?<br>
<br>
So it seems there was some agreement that is something that could improve but we \
didn't 100% agree on what to do. I've scheduled an Akademy BoF, hopefully we \
can reach to a conclusion there.<br> <br>
<a href="https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2020/Tuesday#Room_02_-_8th_September" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2020/Tuesday#Room_02_-_8th_September</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Albert<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Albert<br>
> <br>
> [1] yes, i know they are not the same, but since one is a subset of the other, \
let's pretend they are.<br> > <br>
> <br>
> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" \
target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: \
she/her<br><br><br></div></div></div>
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