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Subject: Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
From: Eike Hein <hein () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-02-28 14:43:33
Message-ID: A44C045C-2FC2-45AD-B28B-976B9E827AA7 () kde ! org
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Hi,
of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder.
I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk and \
summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events:
Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He took \
payment for that mechandising via a card reader connected to a bank account he \
controls. People - not the board - initially asked him why this card reader cannot be \
connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.
His response has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and \
instead throw a hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its job and doesn't help \
organizing conferences. The board has received no inquiry about helping with payment \
solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, has not lead any efforts to \
organize any within the membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution \
for himself doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely \
pretense.
According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represent and/or \
lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB", sold the \
merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the money he collected. We at this \
time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting in compliance with \
local and EU law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he \
did not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry \
about it. "KDE GB" has also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or \
made any inquiry about doing so after being informed of its existence.
Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect KDE's trademarks and \
wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is also a organization \
that gets work done by way of its members doing things (many of whom have organized \
conference stalls before). We're not aware of any impediments to Jonathan doing \
anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider any antagonism to be entirely \
unprovoked, one-sided and unnecessary.
Cheers,
Eike
On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:
> > However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.
> > Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board's
> > ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best
> > intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion
> > creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. I
> think
> > it is sound advice.
>
> Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the
> legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of
> only token involvement from the e.v. was insulting?
>
> Jonathan
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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<html><head></head><body>Hi,<br><br>of course "being insulted" is very much in the \
eye of the beholder.<br><br>I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so \
let's do real talk and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of \
events:<br><br>Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to \
attendees. He took payment for that mechandising via a card reader connected to a \
bank account he controls. People - not the board - initially asked him why this card \
reader cannot be connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.<br><br>His response \
has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead throw \
a hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its job and doesn't help organizing \
conferences. The board has received no inquiry about helping with payment solutions, \
and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, has not lead any efforts to organize \
any within the membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution for \
himself doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely \
pretense.<br><br>According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to \
represent and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB", \
sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the money he collected. We \
at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting in \
compliance with local and EU law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a \
non-profit, he did not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make \
any inquiry about it. "KDE GB" has also not signed the local satellite organization \
agreement or made any inquiry about doing so after being informed of its \
existence.<br><br>Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect \
KDE's trademarks and wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is \
also a organization that gets work done by way of its members doing things (many of \
whom have organized conference stalls before). We're not aware of any impediments to \
Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider any antagonism to \
be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and \
unnecessary.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On \
February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> \
wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: \
1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">On Wed, Feb \
27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: \
1ex;">However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.<br>Once we \
deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board's<br>ability to help. We walk \
into the battle wounded. Assuming best<br>intentions will also help you remove the \
pressure that suspicion<br>creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the \
time. I think<br>it is sound advice.<br></blockquote><br>Given this principle does \
the board see that its choice to query the<br>legality of me running a conference \
stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of<br>only token involvement from the e.v. was \
insulting?<br><br>Jonathan<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my \
Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>
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