From kde-community Thu Feb 28 14:43:33 2019 From: Eike Hein Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:43:33 +0000 To: kde-community Subject: Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-community&m=155136504118984 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------3ZEQ49OZC99EWQ1J6ZIYE72T8G6W81" ------3ZEQ49OZC99EWQ1J6ZIYE72T8G6W81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder=2E I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real ta= lk and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events: Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees= =2E He took payment for that mechandising via a card reader connected to a = bank account he controls=2E People - not the board - initially asked him wh= y this card reader cannot be connected to the KDE e=2EV=2E bank account ins= tead=2E His response has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this que= stion, and instead throw a hissy-fit about how the e=2EV=2E is not doing it= s job and doesn't help organizing conferences=2E The board has received no = inquiry about helping with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e= =2EV=2E member himself, has not lead any efforts to organize any within the= membership to our knowledge=2E Whatever else, making a solution for himsel= f doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely pr= etense=2E According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represe= nt and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB= ", sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the money he = collected=2E We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set= up and acting in compliance with local and EU law and who its membership i= s=2E As he considers himself a non-profit, he did not sign the agreement th= at mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it=2E "KDE GB" = has also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or made any = inquiry about doing so after being informed of its existence=2E Let's be clear: The e=2EV=2E cares because it's required to protect KDE's = trademarks and wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world=2E The KDE e= =2EV=2E is also a organization that gets work done by way of its members do= ing things (many of whom have organized conference stalls before)=2E We're = not aware of any impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of= the e=2EV=2E and consider any antagonism to be entirely unprovoked, one-si= ded and unnecessary=2E Cheers, Eike On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote: >> However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything=2E >> Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e=2EV=2E Board=E2=80= =99s >> ability to help=2E We walk into the battle wounded=2E Assuming best >> intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion >> creates=2E I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time=2E I >think >> it is sound advice=2E > >Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the >legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of >only token involvement from the e=2Ev=2E was insulting? > >Jonathan --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------3ZEQ49OZC99EWQ1J6ZIYE72T8G6W81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

of course "being insulted" is very much= in the eye of the beholder=2E

I'm very tired of this accusation bei= ng thrown around, so let's do real talk and summarize the situation accordi= ng to my best knowledge of events:

Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechand= ising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees=2E He took payment for that mechand= ising via a card reader connected to a bank account he controls=2E People -= not the board - initially asked him why this card reader cannot be connect= ed to the KDE e=2EV=2E bank account instead=2E

His response has been= to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead thr= ow a hissy-fit about how the e=2EV=2E is not doing its job and doesn't help= organizing conferences=2E The board has received no inquiry about helping = with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e=2EV=2E member himself, = has not lead any efforts to organize any within the membership to our knowl= edge=2E Whatever else, making a solution for himself doesn't help anyone el= se, either, so problem-solving appears as merely pretense=2E

Accordi= ng to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represent and/o= r lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB", sold = the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the money he collecte= d=2E We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and = acting in compliance with local and EU law and who its membership is=2E As = he considers himself a non-profit, he did not sign the agreement that mecha= ndising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it=2E "KDE GB" has also= not signed the local satellite organization agreement or made any inquiry = about doing so after being informed of its existence=2E

Let's be cle= ar: The e=2EV=2E cares because it's required to protect KDE's trademarks an= d wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world=2E The KDE e=2EV=2E is als= o a organization that gets work done by way of its members doing things (ma= ny of whom have organized conference stalls before)=2E We're not aware of a= ny impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the e=2EV=2E = and consider any antagonism to be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and unnece= ssary=2E


Cheers,
Eike


O= n February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell= =2Eorg> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wro= te:
However, I recommen= d to always assume best intentions in everything=2E
Once we deride, crit= icize and slander, we stop the e=2EV=2E Board=E2=80=99s
ability to help= =2E We walk into the battle wounded=2E Assuming best
intentions will als= o help you remove the pressure that suspicion
creates=2E I tell that to = our engineers at my work all the time=2E I think
it is sound advice=2E

Given this principle does the board see that its choice = to query the
legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 1= 5 years of
only token involvement from the e=2Ev=2E was insulting?
Jonathan

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