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Subject: Re: help desk vs bug tracker
From: Scott Petrovic <scottpetrovic () gmail ! com>
Date: 2018-10-30 14:04:30
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I think "bot" isn't really the best term to describe what a Q&A site is --
or what AskBot does. When I think of "bot", I think of some type of AI that
tries to chat with people or interacts with them as if they are a person. I
am pretty sure Askbot doesn't work like that. It is closer to something
like StackOverflow.
This issue might only pertain to Krita, but this is how it currently tries
to separate issues with artists
- bug tracker tracking bugs and wishlist items
- forum that is a generic bucket that has a lot of things (discussion
about new artwork, people wanting new features, people asking about bugs or
issues, people wanting to be involved, general discussion)
- chatroom (IRC) real-time support if the developers are at their
computer
I feel like this Q&A site's job is more focused on answering very specific
questions that might be asked frequently (and developers can look up
quickly and reference). Right now with the forum and Krita, there are quite
a few questions that are asked over and over which get a bit tiring. I
imagine some people aren't even searching because of how the forum is set
up. Searches also bring back discussions about artwork, feature requests,
or other discussions not related to the question. The forum search also
searches across all KDE products, which can be a bit confusing at times for
people that don't know that searching the forum will search across all KDE
products, not just Krita.
Scott Petrovic
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 3:23 AM Hans "totte" Tovetjärn <
totte@chakralinux.org> wrote:
> On 2018-10-30 08:55, Laszlo Papp wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:33 AM Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On maandag 29 oktober 2018 19:25:44 CET Andy Betts wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe one thing that is hard to deal with is the sheer email
> >> distribution
> >>> where you can't seem to be able to route people's questions or
> >> requests to
> >>> the right audience. We also get endless threads that you can't
> >> seem to be
> >>> able to unsubscribe from. Would some of these tools be able to do
> >> that?
> >>
> >> The nice thing about askbot is that it actually combines asking and
> >> searching:
> >> so typing your question already starts showing up possible answers.
> >> That
> >> should go a long way to solving the repeated questions we get a lot
> >> of.
> >
> > Isn't google supposed to do that? You type the question and you get
> > the answer in a result.
> >
> > I personally do not like these bot support sites for services as it
> > makes the interaction impersonal. I also do not trust bots not making
> > big mistakes, potentially misleading me.
>
> How is it making the interaction "impersonal"? The software simply shows
> potentially related questions previously asked based on the subject
> lines. Q&A-oriented software also encourages asking direct questions and
> getting direct answers, with a layout that makes it easier for others
> with the same issue to navigate, as opposed to the sometimes
> too-long-to-read paginated mess on more classical discussion boards.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Hans "totte" Tovetjärn
> totte@chakralinux.org
> 0xEB5A95EC99421F98
>
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<div dir="ltr">I think "bot" isn't really the best term to describe \
what a Q&A site is -- or what AskBot does. When I think of "bot", I \
think of some type of AI that tries to chat with people or interacts with them as if \
they are a person. I am pretty sure Askbot doesn't work like that. It is closer \
to something like StackOverflow.<div><br></div><div>This issue might only pertain to \
Krita, but this is how it currently tries to separate issues with \
artists</div><div><ul><li>bug tracker tracking bugs and wishlist \
items<br></li><li>forum that is a generic bucket that has a lot of things (discussion \
about new artwork, people wanting new features, people asking about bugs or issues, \
people wanting to be involved, general discussion)<br></li><li>chatroom (IRC) \
real-time support if the developers are at their \
computer<br></li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>I feel like this Q&A site's \
job is more focused on answering very specific questions that might be asked \
frequently (and developers can look up quickly and reference). Right now with the \
forum and Krita, there are quite a few questions that are asked over and over which \
get a bit tiring. I imagine some people aren't even searching because of how the \
forum is set up. Searches also bring back discussions about artwork, feature \
requests, or other discussions not related to the question. The forum search also \
searches across all KDE products, which can be a bit confusing at times for people \
that don't know that searching the forum will search across all KDE products, not \
just Krita.</div><div><br></div><div>Scott \
Petrovic<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 3:23 AM Hans \
"totte" Tovetjärn <<a \
href="mailto:totte@chakralinux.org">totte@chakralinux.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2018-10-30 08:55, Laszlo Papp \
wrote:<br> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:33 AM Boudewijn Rempt <<a \
href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org" target="_blank">boud@valdyas.org</a>><br> > \
wrote:<br> > <br>
>> On maandag 29 oktober 2018 19:25:44 CET Andy Betts wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Maybe one thing that is hard to deal with is the sheer email<br>
>> distribution<br>
>>> where you can't seem to be able to route people's questions or<br>
>> requests to<br>
>>> the right audience. We also get endless threads that you can't<br>
>> seem to be<br>
>>> able to unsubscribe from. Would some of these tools be able to do<br>
>> that?<br>
>> <br>
>> The nice thing about askbot is that it actually combines asking and<br>
>> searching:<br>
>> so typing your question already starts showing up possible answers.<br>
>> That<br>
>> should go a long way to solving the repeated questions we get a lot<br>
>> of.<br>
> <br>
> Isn't google supposed to do that? You type the question and you get<br>
> the answer in a result.<br>
> <br>
> I personally do not like these bot support sites for services as it<br>
> makes the interaction impersonal. I also do not trust bots not making<br>
> big mistakes, potentially misleading me.<br>
<br>
How is it making the interaction "impersonal"? The software simply shows \
<br> potentially related questions previously asked based on the subject <br>
lines. Q&A-oriented software also encourages asking direct questions and <br>
getting direct answers, with a layout that makes it easier for others <br>
with the same issue to navigate, as opposed to the sometimes <br>
too-long-to-read paginated mess on more classical discussion boards.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Best regards,<br>
Hans "totte" Tovetjärn<br>
<a href="mailto:totte@chakralinux.org" target="_blank">totte@chakralinux.org</a><br>
0xEB5A95EC99421F98<br>
</blockquote></div>
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