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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 53682] usability: toolbar layout and buttons
From:       Neil Stevens <neil () qualityassistant ! com>
Date:       2003-02-01 9:00:59
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------- Additional Comments From neil@qualityassistant.com  2003-02-01 10:00 -------
Subject: Re:  usability: toolbar layout and buttons

On Friday January 31, 2003 09:23, William Leese wrote:
...
> >>Toolbars. The quit button needs to go because users do not expect it
> >>there. More importantly the well known big "X" and File->Quit methods
> >>are available for quiting the application.
> >
> > You sure?  What about the people who hide menu bars? (see below)
>
> I'm very, very sure on this one. Please remove this in favour of the
> traditional "X" which is available at all times except fullscreen mode.

The icon is not controlled by Kaboodle, sorry.  It's just a standard 
action.  So if you want an X as the icon, switch icon styles.

> > And the answer isn't to dynamically hide and remove GUI elements. 
> > Making it so that the user doesn't know what will be in the toolbar
> > when just makes things harder on the user.
>
> You're right. I can agree with not removing the functionality. How about
> moving it to the same toolbar as "Fullscreen" instead? This would
> somewhat minimize accidential clickage..

Even if I saw a connection between the two, that wouldn't be possible.  
Erect a mental wall between Kaboodle and the Video Toolbar.  The Video 
Toolbar is in its own world.  Kaboodle is just embedding that widget.  
Sorry.

> >>The statusbar needs to be visibly seperated from other toolbars to
> >>indicate it's presence. Also of great help would be a default status
> >>message when no movie has been opened such as "No movie opened.".
> >
> > Statusbar look is controlled by kdelibs and your widget style, not by
> > kaboodle.
>
> And a simple seperator?

Which will just result in a double separation for widget styles that 
separate the status bar, no?

>
> > And kaboodle is not just a movie player.
>
> "No media/file opened."? :)

Doesn't that just state the obvious though?

> It really belongs in the status bar then, in a nice small font ;) It's
> bad to be large the moment it starts looks awkward where as a smaller
> font can do no harm and look more fitting.

But if I use a small font, then I think the whole thing will look 
unbalanced.  The slider will overwhelm the time display.

> >>Final suggestion: consolidate "Video Toolbar" and "Kaboodle Toolbar".
> >> No need for a toolbar with only a single button.
> >
> > Technically impractical.  Video settings are controlled not by
> > kaboodlepart, but rather by KVideoWidget in libartskde.
> >
> > For me to hide the KVideoWidget ones and add new ones in Kaboodle
> > would be a bug-prone duplication of UI.
>
> This fits well with the move 'hide menubar' button to the same toolbar
> as the fullscreen button.

I disagree, but see above.
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