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Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] Crystal Clear release!
From:       Luke-Jr <luke-jr () utopios ! org>
Date:       2005-06-23 15:12:35
Message-ID: 200506231512.37030.luke-jr () utopios ! org
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On Thursday 23 June 2005 14:58, David Vignoni wrote:
> I think Luciano Montanaro and Hermann Thomas are right. Everaldo can
> choose to or not release the "sources".

However, without the sources, nobody can distribute it via LGPL (author 
distributes it via their own authority). They would need a different license.

> People are asking for SVG sources but icons aren't binary programs,

They are both end results, in this case.

> you don't have to compile a source to get the final icon

You need to convert the source material (SVG) to get the end product (PNG).

> and the is no rule saying that a PNG image needs to have an SVG source.

There is a rule saying that the "source" must be the preferred format for 
editing. Unless someone is editing the PNGs directly, PNG does not qualify as 
source.

> Let's think about gnome icons. Most of them were made by Jimmac using the
> gimp, an image editor, there are no vector. What's a source for a gimp made
> icon? the XCF file?

Yes.

> I think KDE can choose to use LGPL distribuited icons without an
> editable vector file like clear-crystal or to just say: no thanks.

No, the LGPL only grants KDE (or anyone else) the right to distribute the 
icons so long as the source is included or offered. If KDE does not have the 
sources to provide/offer, they cannot comply with the LGPL requirements.

> We'll go with another icontheme with vector sources, or pick tthe best
> icons from different lgpl icon themes.

KDE would need to obtain a different license than the LGPL to do this.

> You can't ask to Everaldo to make SVGs to be able to release his icons
> under LGPL.

No, but he might as well not grant the LGPL license if he is going to prevent 
any use of it. Claiming LGPL is simply misleading.

> Why he has to limitate his skills by using a not yet perfect format?
> avoiding to use features from he's prefered illustration tool?

The assumption for the entire argument is that the icons are created as SVGs.

> I think a license different from LGPL needs to be created.

Creative Commons doesn't have one?

>
> ciao,
>
> David
>
> 2005/6/23, Luciano Montanaro <mikelima@gmail.com>:
> > El Jueves 23 Junio 2005 16:08, Hermann Thomas escribió:
> > > Rainer Endres schrieb:
> > > >So, you say the GPL allows to distribute closed source (I am no giving
> > > > away the source) binaries? Reading the text, I can not see where this
> > > > is explicitly denied.
> > > >
> > > >So MS can license Office under the (L)GPL, as long as they do not give
> > > > anybody the Source Code, nobody is allowed to redistribute the work?
> > > >
> > > >Trying to understand this.
> > > >
> > > >     Rainer
> > >
> > > Hi I haven't been posting much in the past, but I read everything
> > > posted here.
> > > Well with Artwork the end result sometimes is the source file. Just
> > > think of a Photo.
> > > As far as I understand this. You can give out icons under the GPL or
> > > LGPL without the source because it could be that there is none. Just
> > > imagine Everaldo made all the Icons Pixel by Pixel in a Pixelprogramm!
> > > Could be! Well It wasn't in this case but you never now. Brings us to
> > > the next Point. I see the GPL or LGPL to secure the original Author. If
> > > someone now takes the Pixel based GPL Icons and changes it into
> > > something else. Then the source must be committed. Al though it could
> > > be that there is none because of Pixel by Pixel editing...ehhh
> > > weird!?!?! Well anyway. The KDE policy should be that there shouldn't
> > > be any Icons without the SVG source file. If an Artist, like Everaldo,
> > > wants his Icons to be included in KDE he must give out the source. If
> > > not then it is a case for KDE-Look.
> > > Like Ann-Marie said. In the long run all closed icons must go a have to
> > > be replaced by icons with sources.
> > > Greetings,
> > > Hermann
> >
> > Yes, this is exactly the point I was making.
> > Thank you for your clarification.
> >
> > I agree with your summary and your conclusion.
> >
> > Luciano
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