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Subject:    Re: K-ARTIST: HiColor/Crystal, and some other Artwork
From:       Frans Englich <frans.englich () telia ! com>
Date:       2004-10-24 18:12:49
Message-ID: 200410241812.49155.frans.englich () telia ! com
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On Sunday 24 October 2004 14:13, Hermann Thomas wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2004 15:09 schrieb Kenneth Wimer:
> > * Hermann Thomas <h.thomas@gmx.de> [Oct 24. 2004 12:02]:
> > > Hi
> > > I was trying to follow the discusion about the Icons recently and what
> > > I am writing now might be complete nonsense but I want to keep this
> > > post short. Since I am pretty new to all this there are still some
> > > questions for me. First of all where is the pont in keeping Hicolor?
> >
> > Hicolor is the fallback theme (and as such one can say that it is the
> > real default theme and that the different distros and desktops add a
> > theme on top of this, which is their "default" theme).
>
> Why can't Crystal be the fallback theme? Maintain one theme is work enough
> I guess. Maintaining two is a waste of resources.

Read the spec:

http://freedesktop.org/Standards/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-0.8.html

There's a lot of confusion around hicolor. It isn't a theme in the ordinary 
sense, but is a namespace which 3rd parties and what not, installs into. It 
doesn't have a certain style, or should look in a certain way. It could just 
as well have been called "default", but was named "hicolor" in order to 
provide backwards compatibility with KDE. Using crystalsvg as fallback theme 
doesn't work for several reasons, but one is that it's KDE specific, and it 
would break for GNOME and others.

hicolor is a "super class" where all random icons gets installed, such that 
they are available in all themes. If someone wants to design a theme which 
has a certain style, they shouldn't use hicolor but use a different name(and 
it should as all other themes, inherit from hicolor, of course).

> > 
> > It all depends on how you look at things. The "default" KDE theme is a
> > link to a real theme (at this time crystalsvg). Hicolor on the other hand
> > is the fallback theme for all other themes per the freedesktop.org spec
> > no to mention that KDE has done it thisi way for a while as well :-)
> >
> > > I think there should be
> > > just one default iconset for the same reason there is only one
> > > Mailclient, and one Browser, and one Office Suite in KDE. This Icon
> > > theme could also be called "Default" to the outside world. The
> > > development name can be what ever but If I look into the kontrollcenter
> > > I find different Icon themes but none saying "Hey I am the default
> > > one". All though I think there is room for one more Icon theme for the
> > > accsessebilety people.
> >
> > We are starting work on a accesable, usable icon theme. See the aritsts
> > archive for these mails, as wewll as the accesability list.
> >
> > > About wallpaper and other Artwork. Where is the point in keeping all
> > > the crappy looking Artwork, just look at /kdeartwork/wallpapers. There
> > > are many better looking free Wallpapers at KDE-Look an I am sure the
> > > Autorhs of the good stuff will be delighted if KDE will use there work.
> > > I guess the majority of you who read this thinks "But the people like
> > > this Artwork".
> >
> > While you are correct that the artwork could be cleaned up a bit it is
> > comments like this that tell me that we cannot allow one person to
> > decide what should be removed.
>
> No I didn't say to remove it, just move it to the not yet existing package
> "alternative artwork". This way everyone is happy. And if we don't want to
> allow one person to decide thinks make it 3 with a majority vote.

KControl have 11 pages, either as tabs or modules, that contains keyboard 
settings. Adding Search, "how should we otherwise be able to navigate in all 
those?", is said to be the problem to KControl's hugeness -- it is not to 
question what is actually needed.

The kdeartwork package is the alternative artwork, AFAICT. I think that by 
adding another package, we don't consentrate or increase the quality, we just 
make it possible to add more. kde-look.org and similar, is also an excellent 
place to publish artwork, everything mustn't be in KDE.

But, what you also write, that there must be a stronger selection and better 
management, I believe too(that it's an organizational issue), but I don't 
think it's best solved by adding people who have veto-rights(not more than 
what meritocracy already have, which is just fine IMO).



Cheers,

		Frans

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