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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: K-ARTIST: svg2png rendering
From:       Wade Olson <wadejolson () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2004-01-20 22:25:00
Message-ID: 20040120222500.88094.qmail () web40006 ! mail ! yahoo ! com
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Ken, 

Thanks for the input.

My expressed views respresent solely one lunatic on the mailing list and not that of the community
at large, but that being said:

* I do not yet see a centralized movement or group presiding over the svg area and corresponding
conversion; hence my nonchalance about chiming in.  Judging the questions on this mailing list,
others are having the same issue.  If someone knows such a group, please reply and let this list
know.

This thread and series of actions may well lead to such a centralization.  Good to be sure, but be
warned that we may soon be 'the SVG guys'.

* I don't know if anyone would turn down any dedicated time as you offer below.  With a typical
weakness in style guides and documentation, to have resources worked on in the infancy of svg
conversion would be fortunate.  'Optimizing synergy' is great, but is it confusing enough?  Maybe
we could call it 'Transcontinental graphical extensibility synergistic optimization'?

* I agree that hoping for 100% coverage of script tweaking for existing icons is doubtful, but I
just don't want people to be surprised if work they do to cover for image quality gaps now are not
used in the future when other solutikns present themselves.

* Due to the confusion I see everywhere involving KDE and this issue, a happy medium is going to
be needed for your werkstudent for input from other parties (Everaldo, programmers on SodiPodi,
etc).  I predict too many chefs in the kitchen.  Make sure that this student lists 'conflict
resolution' on their resume :).  Per the usual with OSS projects, 10 other people could already be
working on such issues without any knowing the others' efforts.  Hopefully we can aggregate prior
work done (if any) before commencement.

Thanks again,
Wade

--- Kenneth Wimer <wimer@suse.de> wrote:
> * Wade Olson <wadejolson@yahoo.com> [Jan 20. 2004 18:04]:
> > The variables in the equation of svg quality we're discussing seem to be:
> > - A standard file format that itself needs to mature
> > - Software implementations (SodiPodi, Karbon, AI, etc) of varying degrees of maturity
> > - Rendering that is still maturing
> > - No standardized style guide
> > 
> > So...why the problems? :)
> > 
> > Thus, without seeing the results of this script, I like the direction of this solution.
> 
> Me too...to be honest, I have not had enough time to look at this
> either. I think that this is probably the best answer that I have heard
> yet.
> 
> > Obviously, the solution of multiple svg files based on resolution is not optimal, due to one
> of
> > svg's selling points is the singular image file without regard to size.  Because going that
> route
> > would cause time and work that would later be lost if any of the variables above changed and
> > resulted in acceptable quality, other options should be exahuasted first.
> 
> Yes. I agree, but with some icons this will be a problem. Because of the
> numberr of different icons it is almost impossible to make "simple"
> graphics for all of them...think of text editors - how many "simple"
> text editor icons are possible? In the end, I agree that you are right,
> but I think that we will encounter many problems.
> 
> > Can we test some of the problematic files with this new script to see if any settings enhance
> the
> > visibility at 16X16 (I don't have the means at work myself)?  Can the person who reported the
> > 16X16 issues (James Tyrer I believe, but not sure) let us know if the new files appear more
> > suitable in their opinion?
> 
> In 3-4 weeks a "Werkstudent" (a university student who is doing a
> praticum at SuSE) will be working for me. We will be testing and
> implementing a system at suse to use only svg graphics (using the
> scripts in kde, naturally :) I have thought about having the
> "Werkstudent" take this time to work on the SVG style guide, as well as
> testing and improving scripts, testing programs, etc.
> 
> A manager would call this "optimizing synergy" :-) What do you think? I
> could use some help on this, so if anyone has any good ideaas, let us
> know.
> 
> I am posting all of the SVGs that I have (from all of the AI files that
> I have), whether they are rendered in linux correctly or not, on
> ftp.suse.com/pub/people/wimer/SVGfromAI/
> Anyone should feel free to download these files and "fix" them. The
> resulting SVGs should then be checked into CVS.
> 
> > This task would be the first step in a hopefully methodical approach to determining optimal
> values
> > for this script over many of the current svg icons.
> 
> I agree completely.
> 
> > If you're still reading here, you win a cookie,
> 
> bye,
> ken
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