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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: K-ARTIST:kdelook????
From:       Frank Karlitschek <frank () kde-look ! org>
Date:       2002-06-25 9:12:39
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On Monday 24 June 2002 23:41, Joerg Gastner wrote:
> Am Montag, 24. Juni 2002 09:29 schrieb antialias:
> > Voting on kde-look is manipulated, didn't you know that?
>
> Hi list,
Hi artists,

> well, I guess everyone who uploaded there has experienced some form or
> other of manipulation.  The worst form being a fresh upload which gets
> voted down so quickly beneath the magic 30% border that few people actually
> see the upload.  Which is sad, since some people are being discouraged to
> upload any other content.  :(
>
> There obviously are people who have taken the trouble to write scripts (for
> x = 100; connect; vote bad; disconnect; next; (or something like that))
> because some content has completely vanished.  Everaldos mail seems to
> target an example of this "mass-voting".

Yes. Iīm consistently astonished about the destructive energy of certain 
people.

> > Unfotunatelly, the
> > maintainers of kde-look. org know that, and they don't do anything to
> > prevent it.
>
> What would be the alternative?  Require to login before voting?  Who would
> take the trouble to login?  I can't think of any easy solution to this
> problem.

Exactly. Please send me a mail if anyone has a better idea how to protect the 
site from bored script kids.
I donīt line the idea to require login either.

> > Every time you connect to internet  if you have dynamic IP (which most of
> > the users have) you will be allowed to vote again.
>
> Yes, right.  But I'm more worried about the people with an industrial
> attitude (the people with scripts).  Because they can make content
> disappear in moments after the uploads.  Content which is lost to the
> community.  Because once your score drops below 20%, all you can do is
> delete it.  Nobody is able to see it, nobody can comment, new contributors
> are discouraged, pissed off, stopped dead in their tracks.  Which
> constitues a loss to the community.
>
> The only way out of this (imho) is to let people see the content > 0%.  At
> the moment it is limited to scores > 20%.  I myself have deleted content
> that dropped below 20%.  I felt frustrated because some weirdo had ditched
> me 1 hour after I uploaded.
>
> Everyone is welcome to check the IDs of the uploads (e.g.
> ...php?content=XXXX&PHP... (XXXX being the ID)) and find the gaps.  Of
> course there are gaps which are due to updates (content keeps its original
> ID after updates) but it is still a significant loss that is displayed.  I
> feel sad for all the people who have uploaded content and have been
> discarded this way.  And what is more:  This is a form of censorship.  And
> to get real paranoid:  What if a major company payed somebody to vote bad
> on good content?  I feel bad about the 20% border...

Sorry, but this isnīt censorship. A few month ago many people complained about 
the low content quality on KDE-Look.org (Holiday pictures, bad wallpapers, 
... ) I donīt want to rate the content on my own. Neither do a like the 
concept of super editors or super users who are able to delete stuff.
The community has to decide whats good an whats bad. So I introduced the 20% 
limit. Do you think it should be lower?


> > But, what pisses me off on that site is not only that some people
> > manipulate with votes but also that some 'artist' 'update' their
> > 'artwork' only to be present on the opening site of kde-look.org (and
> > they haven't updated their 'artwork' at all). So every time users open
> > kde-look.org they can see an icon theme although that theme hasn't been
> > updated at all.
>
> You are right about that one.  That pisses me off too.  "Virtual Updates"
> or whatever you may call it.  The best answer to that would be bad comments
> about this behaviour...

Do you have a idea how to prevent this?


> Cheers,
>
> Soyburg

Greetings
Frank


-- 
F r a n k  K a r l i t s c h e k
frank@kde-look.org
http://www.kde-look.org

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