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Subject:    Re: K-ARTIST:Cooperation (was: IKons, Slick, crystal, Anti-Icons, ...)
From:       Torsten Rahn <tackat () suse ! de>
Date:       2002-01-20 13:36:35
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> 1. access > we have to change it and come up with better idea

No, the wheelchair-symbol is a common symbol which is widely used 
for people who have disabilities. If I go into a train or a public location I 
can easily find solutions for disabled persons by looking for that symbol.

Actually the original version for the symbol on this icon was taken from one 
of the major linux-disabilities-sites.

> 16. filetypes > I don't understand this icon

Any better idea? I mean this whole thing is not about keeping or not keeping. 
It's actually about creating something better (in terms of usability _AND_ 
looks :-)

> 19. go > hm, many discussions here, I don't like K, I suggest that we
> remove K, and change wheel to the smae one we have for konqueror and
> kdevelop

No. This icon leads the user to the world of _KDE_. There's a good reason why 
you have the symbol for "windows", the symbol for "OS/2", the symbol for 'Mac 
OS" on the GUI's. And consistently and for the same PR-related and 
usability-reasons you have the KDE-symbol here.
Nothing to change here (except for making it look more modern perhaps).

22. hwinfo > change winXP 'i'

Huh? This icon has got NOTHING to do with windows XP. The 'i'-symbol was 
actually there _before_ Windows XP has been _ever_ mentioned. It predates 
Windows XP

> 23. icons > keep it, but remove 'poststamp' edges

Why? And what exactly does it say without those poststamp-edges?
When searching for a proper symbol for "icons" we really had a tough time to 
come up with something that symbolizes "icon" in a not too abstract way.
A common 'icon' (i.e. a tiny picture) in the real world is a poststamp. 
The stamp on this icon obviously represents a wellknown english stamp showing 
the queen.

> 31. kcalc > change it (we need just a calculator, not paper etc.), we
> have already much better calculator in kspread-mime icon, just take it
> from there

Hm, but this is the calculator for the KSPREAD-mimetype-icon. if you remove 
the paper underneath - yes, then you get kspread. So there's a reason why we 
have different looking calculators. Actually feel free to create a better 
looking calculator for kcalc - but I wouldn't use the kspread one.

> 33. kchart > I don't like when we have a piece of paper in application
> icons (especially paper from KDE 1) - that should be reserved for mime
> icons, KOffice icons should be much more consistent than they are now,
> change it

True.

> 47. kfax > keep it (it is maybe too dark) or create a new one with a
> more modern look

True. Could we agree on the fact that we "keep" all those icons where we don't 
actually mention any problems or even more important come up with a better 
solution ;-)
Saves bandwith ;)

> 64. kmailcvt > change it, I dont know what kmailcvt is, but if it has
> something to do with kmail combine it with kmail icon

kmailcvt shouldn't be a separate application. It's actually the 
filter-solution for kmail :-)

> 69. knewsticker > change it, we need a new one

Could you elaborate :-) ?

> 74. konsole > the one in mimeicons is better then konsole from
> applications; the one from applications (remove shell or improve shell)

Feel free ...

> 75. Kontour > it looks more like KDE1xx icon, so change it

True.

> 80. kpager > change it (now it has the same icon as kwin)

True.

> 88. ksirc > I don't understand the meaning of this icon, ksirc is an IRC
> client, and 'i' is a symbol for info (in western world), I think it
> should be changed

It's the symbol for IRC IIRC ;-)

http://www.irc.org ...

> 118. package_games_arcade > too many small elements (unreadable)

True.

> 131. personal > winXP? add eyes, nose & mouth

Well - then you can get legally into trouble or even more offensive than you 
could imagine.
Also you get into trouble for the tiny versions (too much details).
I think that's the reason why Iconfactory chose this doll-face.

Greetings,
Tackat
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