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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: GNOME Desktop Project
From:       "John McNulty" <jm_uk () hotmail ! com>
Date:       1997-09-10 15:43:16
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Dear Mario,

Either you are an extremely silly man and did not check what 
address you were sending to, or the message below is a spoof
from someone else, trying to light a bonfire under your arse!

In the first instance, in case you hadn't guessed, you just
sent this mail to several hundred people currently subscribed
to the kde list.  Hardly what I'd call "private", and probably 
guaranteed to piss Bernd off (and lots of his friends).

In the second case, I find it strange that your e-mail address
should belong to the .sime.com domain, a German domain, but the
"References:" line should contain the string..

   <Pine.LNX.3.96.970818094809.12615C-100000@cascadia.a42.com>

..where "cascadia.a42.com" belongs to the SSC organisation, who
are somewhere in the good old U.S.A.  A considerable distance 
apart.  Why should this be in there?  Is this a spoof mail? a
slip up?  A bluff?  A double bluff?

Someone with more mail-header savvy than myself (or a good sendmail 
book) might be able to answer that question.  

If the latter is true, then who at SSC has it in for Bernd?
 
John

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>
>A few weeks ago you replied this to a mail from Bernd Johannes Wuebben.
>I've to say that you are right: Bernd's response seemed to be really
>rude. It seems he doesn't really want to publish his programs under 
GPL. 
>
>2 month ago I talked to BJW and told him I want to write a accounting
>feature for kppp - he agreed but said he doesn't want to have 
co-authors
>on kppp. I agreed (mainly because I think PPP accounting is a very good
>thing - especially if you live in Europe where you've to pay for phone
>lines :-(. I wrote the accounting module for kppp and sent it to BJW.
>Then he removed my name from all source files (ok, he gave me credit in
>the "About" dialog. Interesting enough, he did'nt remove the credit
>lines from the files his brother wrote). I found that very annoying and
>that this is really bad attitude.
>
>However, I've seen that you're writing a dialer for GNOME. Maybe you 
are
>interested in the accounting module from kppp. I think it would be a
>good idea to reuse it (because it uses a simple text file describing
>accounting rules, there are already some from Italy, Spain, Austria,
>Germany...).
>
>Best regards,
>        Mario Weilguni
>
>
>PS: please consider this to be private mail - I do not want to begin an
>email war with Bernd.
>
>Jay Painter wrote:
>> 
>> > Yeah, clearly I am the bad guy, having spent all that sweat and 
blood to
>> > produce thousands of lines of code for everyone to use and enjoy.
>> > KDE was the project to show the Linux world that there is hope. How
>> > about talking to us rather than fighting us?
>> 
>> Ok, enough of this crap.  Bernd, when you contacted me in February 
about
>> "donating" a program I wrote called EzPPP to the KDE project I 
thought you
>> were a little rude.  I responded by saying that EzPPP was GPLed, and 
you
>> could use it in KDE at any time.  I also requested that you wait for 
me to
>> finish a release version, as I was still working on serious bugs at 
the
>> time.  You immediately set off on kppp which still consists of about 
70%
>> my code, and has some design problems in the serial communication.  
Do I
>> care?  No, it's GPL'd.  I think it's a bit of a waste, but oh well...  
KDE
>> has used other people's code at every chance, which is a GOOD thing.  
Who
>> wants to spend time duplicating work that's already been done? But 
don't
>> go telling me you sweated and bled over every line of code.
>> 
>> I personally don't care what programming language I write programs 
in, but
>> I'm not willing to put thousands of hours of free programming effort 
into
>> a non-free GUI toolkit, especially one that is as proprietary as Qt
>> (because of its signal/slot mechanism).
>> 
>> So, you better not try restricting at least one of the programs you 
have
>> authored, because it has my GPL'd code in it.  I hope your attitude 
is
>> unique among the KDE programmers.
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Jay Painter
>> Systems Admin, SSC/Linux Journal
>> http://www.a42.com/~jay
>
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>Mario Weilguni                               Email: mweilguni@sime.com
>A-8051 Graz/Austria                          Phone:   +43-316-68-56-45
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