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Subject: Re: [kde] What is baloo_file_extractor and why is it humping my hard drive?
From: "O.Sinclair" <sinclair () orionweb ! info>
Date: 2014-04-18 8:27:09
Message-ID: 2550696.b8enU0Muh1 () sinclair-hp
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On Friday 18 April 2014 9:51:21 AM Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Friday, 2014-04-18, 09:09:11, O.Sinclair wrote:
> > to me it boils down to: who in the name of all possible higher powers do
> > really sit and "tag" their files? So far I know noone who does and that
> > includes me.
>
> I think it is important to consider that tags are not the only metadata a
> file can have.
>
> Quite some metadata is automatic, either inherent in the actual data itself
> of attached as part of the storage format.
>
> Music has duration, genre, artist, probably rating, etc.
> Pictures have size, timestamp, potentially geo information, also rating,
> etc.
>
> Tags are only one kind of information that can be associated with a piece of
> user data.
> Dismissing a concept because one form of input isn't used is to me a bit
> like saying there is no use for computers because nobody re-types all their
> handwritten letters.
> As if computers could only ever be used to write text documents :)
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
good point and I am happy to acknowledge that I do use desktop search
(nepomuk, now baloo) frequently. Despite the lack of tag search.
Still, why enable tagging but no tag search? And I still will say that the
whole desktop search actually is a "power user" thing. Does not mean that
computers are not used instead of handwriting but that many users are not even
aware of the "superkey" in Windows or the ALT-F2 in KDE.
Still, to get off my ranting:
1. there is a known bug in Baloo that sometimes creates bad disk access,
search it as I can not remember the exact cause
2. in my opinion Baloo is a far better concept than Nepomuk
3. I do not agree on the "simplified" kcm, I liked the old one better
4. and I think semantic search should be disabled for the user to enable by
default, not the other way around
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-qt-user-state:0;">> > to me it boils down to: who in the name of all possible \
higher powers do</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
really sit and "tag" their files? So far I know noone who does and that</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > includes me.</p> <p \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> I think it is important \
to consider that tags are not the only metadata a</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> file can have.</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Quite some metadata is \
automatic, either inherent in the actual data itself</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> of attached as part of the storage \
format.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Music has duration, \
genre, artist, probably rating, etc.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Pictures have size, timestamp, potentially \
geo information, also rating,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> etc.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> Tags are only one kind of information that can be associated \
with a piece of</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> user \
data.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
Dismissing a concept because one form of input isn't used is to me a bit</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> like saying there is no \
use for computers because nobody re-types all their</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> handwritten letters.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> As if computers could \
only ever be used to write text documents :)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Cheers,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Kevin</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">good point and I am happy to acknowledge that I \
do use desktop search (nepomuk, now baloo) frequently. Despite the lack of tag \
search.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Still, why enable tagging but \
no tag search? And I still will say that the whole desktop search actually is a \
"power user" thing. Does not mean that computers are not used instead of \
handwriting but that many users are not even aware of the "superkey" in \
Windows or the ALT-F2 in KDE. </p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Still, to get off my ranting:</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. there is a known bug in \
Baloo that sometimes creates bad disk access, search it as I can not remember the \
exact cause</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. in my \
opinion Baloo is a far better concept than Nepomuk</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. I do not agree on the "simplified" \
kcm, I liked the old one better</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">4. and I think semantic search should be disabled for the user to \
enable by default, not the other way around<br /></p> <p \
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margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p></body></html>
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