From kde Fri Apr 18 08:27:09 2014 From: "O.Sinclair" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:27:09 +0000 To: kde Subject: Re: [kde] What is baloo_file_extractor and why is it humping my hard drive? Message-Id: <2550696.b8enU0Muh1 () sinclair-hp> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde&m=139780966702867 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============2591548054368655233==" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2591548054368655233== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="nextPart2474223.f3inOv0IJi" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --nextPart2474223.f3inOv0IJi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday 18 April 2014 9:51:21 AM Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Friday, 2014-04-18, 09:09:11, O.Sinclair wrote: > > to me it boils down to: who in the name of all possible higher powers do > > really sit and "tag" their files? So far I know noone who does and that > > includes me. > > I think it is important to consider that tags are not the only metadata a > file can have. > > Quite some metadata is automatic, either inherent in the actual data itself > of attached as part of the storage format. > > Music has duration, genre, artist, probably rating, etc. > Pictures have size, timestamp, potentially geo information, also rating, > etc. > > Tags are only one kind of information that can be associated with a piece of > user data. > Dismissing a concept because one form of input isn't used is to me a bit > like saying there is no use for computers because nobody re-types all their > handwritten letters. > As if computers could only ever be used to write text documents :) > > Cheers, > Kevin good point and I am happy to acknowledge that I do use desktop search (nepomuk, now baloo) frequently. Despite the lack of tag search. Still, why enable tagging but no tag search? And I still will say that the whole desktop search actually is a "power user" thing. Does not mean that computers are not used instead of handwriting but that many users are not even aware of the "superkey" in Windows or the ALT-F2 in KDE. Still, to get off my ranting: 1. there is a known bug in Baloo that sometimes creates bad disk access, search it as I can not remember the exact cause 2. in my opinion Baloo is a far better concept than Nepomuk 3. I do not agree on the "simplified" kcm, I liked the old one better 4. and I think semantic search should be disabled for the user to enable by default, not the other way around --nextPart2474223.f3inOv0IJi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

On Friday 18 April 2014 9:51:21 AM Kevin Krammer wrote:

> On Friday, 2014-04-18, 09:09:11, O.Sinclair wrote:

> > to me it boils down to: who in the name of all possible higher powers do

> > really sit and "tag" their files? So far I know noone who does and that

> > includes me.

> I think it is important to consider that tags are not the only metadata a

> file can have.

> Quite some metadata is automatic, either inherent in the actual data itself

> of attached as part of the storage format.

> Music has duration, genre, artist, probably rating, etc.

> Pictures have size, timestamp, potentially geo information, also rating,

> etc.

> Tags are only one kind of information that can be associated with a piece of

> user data.

> Dismissing a concept because one form of input isn't used is to me a bit

> like saying there is no use for computers because nobody re-types all their

> handwritten letters.

> As if computers could only ever be used to write text documents :)

> Cheers,

> Kevin

good point and I am happy to acknowledge that I do use desktop search (nepomuk, now baloo) frequently. Despite the lack of tag search.

Still, why enable tagging but no tag search? And I still will say that the whole desktop search actually is a "power user" thing. Does not mean that computers are not used instead of handwriting but that many users are not even aware of the "superkey" in Windows or the ALT-F2 in KDE.

Still, to get off my ranting:

1. there is a known bug in Baloo that sometimes creates bad disk access, search it as I can not remember the exact cause

2. in my opinion Baloo is a far better concept than Nepomuk

3. I do not agree on the "simplified" kcm, I liked the old one better

4. and I think semantic search should be disabled for the user to enable by default, not the other way around

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