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Subject:    [Quanta] Re: Quanta 4
From:       Billie Walsh <bilwalsh () swbell ! net>
Date:       2011-04-03 2:13:28
Message-ID: 4D97D7C8.3090303 () swbell ! net
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On 04/02/2011 08:35 PM, Robert Marmorstein wrote:
> There was a decision a few years ago to port Quanta to the same
> codebase as kdevelop.  The common code would be called "kdevplatform".
>    I am not sure this was a wise decision -- what has happened since
> then seems to be that development on Quanta has more or less stalled.
> I think a large part of that is the increased complexity of the
> codebase since the move to kdevplatform.
>
> There were good reasons for that decision, though.  If the port can be
> completed, the (much more active) developer base of kdevelop will
> automatically mean that Quanta gets important improvements and fixes.
>
> I have tried using Quanta 4, but I feel that there are two significant
> issues that make it unsuitable as a production web development
> environment: no templates for web projects and no customization of the
> user interface when run in "Quanta" mode.
>
> The template problem is a critical one, because if I go to "project
> new" all I see are "C++" and so forth projects.  There is no way to
> get a template for a basic web project.  So I started hacking on this
> earlier this week and created a few simple templates in my local git
> repository that you can use to start a single page XHTML site.  They
> aren't much, but they're a start.  What is the review process for
> getting these submitted?  Does quanta use reviewboard?  Or can I open
> up a "merge request" somehow?
>
> The second problem is much harder to solve.  When I am developing a
> web application, I don't need to "compile" or "execute" the program --
> I need to preview it in a web browser.  Right now, the UI is very much
> geared toward C++ projects.
>
> Figuring out how to remove the irrelevant web components and pull in
> the right ones is a much more difficult proposition than writing new
> templates.  What code should I be looking at to solve this one?  Is
> there a nice plugin-based architecture for this?  Do I need to write a
> new "projectmanager" or an "outputview"?  Or is it more complicated
> than that?
>
> I don't have a lot of time to hack on this -- the small amount of
> "free" time I have, I would like to spend on koffice/Calligra (fixing
> variable support), but I would LOVE to see a KDE 4 application that
> was roughly comparable to the old Quanta 3 and I'm willing to invest a
> little time to at least get the project started again if that's
> possible.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Robert
>
> Quoting "Michael J. Hartwick"<hartwick@hartwick.com>:
>

Whoever it was that made the decision to incorporate Quanta into kdev 
was obviously a software developer and not a web page author. Obviously 
didn't know squat about creating web pages.

Why anyone in their right mind would screw up the best web page creation 
environment out there is beyond me.



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