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Subject: Re: [kde-community] Tupi: Open 2D Magic
From: Gustav_González <xtingray () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-06-25 17:35:48
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 2013/6/24 Andreas Cord-Landwehr <cordlandwehr@kde.org>

> **
>
> On Monday 24 June 2013 11:08:34 Gustav González wrote:
>
> > 2013/6/24 Paul Gideon Dann <pdgiddie@gmail.com>
>
> >
>
> > > This is a question of who owns the copyright, which depends on the
>
> > > employment contract that Toonka had with its employees. If you want to
>
> > > switch back to GPLv2 in order to join KDE, though, I don't think you
> need
>
> > > to do anything, since the code was GPLv2 before anyway, right?
>
>
>
> With a quick glance at the KTooN codebase, I made the following
> observation:
>
>
>
> The KTooN commits from 2010-05-15 11:48 and 11:49 with message "Updating
> license version from source code -> GPL 3" changed the license from "GPL v2
> or any later version" to "GPL v3 or any later version".
>
>
>
> (Please correct me if I am wrong, the commits change about 1000 lines and
> I did not check every change!)
>
>
>
> From my POV you have two options. Both include first asking _every_
> commiter following up the license change commits in a documented way if
> they allow changing the license to "GPL v2 or any later version". After you
> received their approvals you can:
>
>
>
> Either
>
> * revert the two license change commits
>
> * do a rebase of all following commits
>
> * change newly introduced licenses
>
>
>
> Or
>
> * revert the license change commits and perform relicensing at once.
>
>
>
> I see no need to contact Monica about that issue, since all approvals that
> are necessary for doing the relicensing are from individual commiters (who
> commited after the relicense in 2010, as far as I understood).
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Andreas
>

Hello there,

It seems you are right, yesterday I was talking to a friend who has a wide
knowledge of the GPL licenses and he told me
the same. I just need the approval from all the developers who made
contributions between the moment I changed the license
of Tupi from GPL v2 to v3 and the present.

If you take a look at the old KTooN repository, you will find out that the
only user who made commits to the project from 2010,
even before the change of license, was me (xtingray):

http://svn.berlios.de/viewvc/ktoon/

About the repository of Tupi, you will be able to confirm that only
Cristian Cepeda (he helped me to fix some .pro files
to make possible the compilation of Tupi in OSX) and me were working on the
code:

https://github.com/xtingray/tupi/commits/master?page=20

About Cristian, I already contacted him and this was his answer:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Cristian David Cepeda Piscal <cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com>
Date: 2013/6/25
Subject: Re: Question about Tupi license
To: Gustav González <xtingray@gmail.com>

Hello Gustavo,

About the Tupi relicensing.

I absolutely agree with the change of license, even more when it will help
to spread the word about your project and to make it part of something so
great as the KDE project. I have no objections. Do it!

-- 
Cristian David Cepeda
cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------

So, now I'm definitely convinced that the change of license is absolutely
legal. The logs of the repositories should
work as evidence, right?

I'll appreciate all your feedback about this matter.
Thank you!

---

PS: In case, someone believes that I made the change of the license of
KTooN from GPL v2 to v3 without asking to Monica
Ortiz (Toonka Films CEO in that time), here I found the "official account"
of KTooN at Twitter. I created it at the time I was
working with Monica and I wrote every one of the tweets that you'll find
here:

https://twitter.com/ktoon_net

The one I want to hightlight is this:

https://twitter.com/ktoon_net/status/14052613828

Why? Because all that I posted from that account was under the
supervision/approval of Monica.

-- 
============================
  Gustav Gonzalez
  xtingray@gmail.com
============================

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<div class="gmail_quote">
2013/6/24 Andreas Cord-Landwehr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:cordlandwehr@kde.org" \
target="_blank">cordlandwehr@kde.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">

<u></u>
<div style="font-family:&#39;DejaVu Sans \
Mono&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On \
Monday 24 June 2013 11:08:34 Gustav González wrote:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
2013/6/24 Paul Gideon Dann &lt;<a href="mailto:pdgiddie@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">pdgiddie@gmail.com</a>&gt;</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
&gt; This is a question of who owns the copyright, which depends on the</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
&gt; employment contract that Toonka had with its employees.  If you want to</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
&gt; switch back to GPLv2 in order to join KDE, though, I don&#39;t think you \
need</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; \
&gt; to do anything, since the code was GPLv2 before anyway, right?</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> </div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">With \
a quick glance at the KTooN codebase, I made the following observation:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">The \
<span style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">KTooN commits from 2010-05-15 11:48 and \
11:49 with message &quot;Updating license version from source code -&gt; GPL 3&quot; \
changed the license from &quot;GPL v2 or any later version&quot; to &quot;GPL v3 or \
any later version&quot;.</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">(Please correct me if I am wrong, the commits \
change about 1000 lines and I did not check every change!)</span></p>

\
 From my POV you have two options. Both include \
first asking _every_ commiter following up the license change commits in a documented \
way if they allow changing the license to &quot;GPL v2 or any later version&quot;. \
After you received their approvals you can:

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">Either</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">* revert the two license change \
commits</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">* do a rebase of all following \
commits</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">* change newly introduced licenses</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">Or</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">* revert the license change commits and perform \
relicensing at once.</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">I see no need to contact Monica about that \
issue, since all approvals that are necessary for doing the relicensing are from \
individual commiters (who commited after the relicense in 2010, as far as I \
understood).</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">Greetings,</span></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span \
style="color:#141312;font-size:12px">Andreas</span></p></div></blockquote></div><br>Hello \
there,<br><br>It seems you are right, yesterday I was talking to a friend who has a \
wide knowledge of the GPL licenses and he told me<br>

the same. I just need the approval from all the developers who made contributions \
between the moment I changed the license of Tupi from GPL v2 to v3 and the \
present. If you take a look at the old KTooN repository, you will find out \
that the only user who made commits to the project from 2010, even before the \
change of license, was me (xtingray): <a \
href="http://svn.berlios.de/viewvc/ktoon/">http://svn.berlios.de/viewvc/ktoon/</a> About \
the repository of Tupi, you will be able to confirm that only Cristian Cepeda (he \
helped me to fix some .pro files

to make possible the compilation of Tupi in OSX) and me were working on the \
code:<br><br><a href="https://github.com/xtingray/tupi/commits/master?page=20">https://github.com/xtingray/tupi/commits/master?page=20</a><br><br>
 About Cristian, I already contacted him and this was his answer:<br><br>---------- \
Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Cristian David \
Cepeda Piscal</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com">cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>

Date: 2013/6/25<br>Subject: Re: Question about Tupi license<br>To: Gustav González \
&lt;<a href="mailto:xtingray@gmail.com">xtingray@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><br><div>Hello \
Gustavo,</div><div><br></div><div>About the Tupi relicensing.</div> \
<div><br></div><div>I  absolutely agree with the change of license, even more when it \
will  help to spread the word about your project and to make it part of 
something so great as the KDE project. I have no objections. Do it!<span \
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> </font></span></div><span \
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div>-- <br>Cristian David \
Cepeda<br><a href="mailto:cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com" \
                target="_blank">cristiandavid.cepeda@gmail.com</a></font></span><br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><br>So, now I&#39;m definitely convinced \
that the change of license is absolutely legal. The logs of the repositories should \
<br>work as evidence, right?<br><br>I&#39;ll appreciate all your feedback about this \
matter.<br> Thank you!<br><br>---<br><br>PS: In case, someone believes that I made \
the change of the license of KTooN from GPL v2 to v3 without asking to Monica \
<br>Ortiz (Toonka Films CEO in that time), here I found the &quot;official \
account&quot; of KTooN at Twitter. I created it at the time I was <br> working with \
Monica and I wrote every one of the tweets that you&#39;ll find here:<br><br><a \
href="https://twitter.com/ktoon_net" \
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ktoon_net</a><br><br>The one I want to hightlight \
is this:<br> <br><a href="https://twitter.com/ktoon_net/status/14052613828" \
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ktoon_net/status/14052613828</a><br> <br>Why? \
Because all that I posted from that account was under the supervision/approval of \
Monica. <br><br>-- <br>============================<br>

  Gustav Gonzalez<br>  <a href="mailto:xtingray@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">xtingray@gmail.com</a><br>============================

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