[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread] 

List:       xml-dev
Subject:    Re: [xml-dev] Four fine text-based data formats ... liberate yourself from one (silo) data format
From:       David Lee <dlee () calldei ! com>
Date:       2013-03-25 2:36:52
Message-ID: 05544600-2B48-4BF8-85AC-A14CB72B4FBD () calldei ! com
[Download RAW message or body]

Maybe I can make sense of this another way.
You are saying that some people with some data sets the way they choose to encode it \
In XML Did not fulfill their primary requirements as well as the way they chose to \
encode the data in another format?    An example I might give is DVDs for film.  If \
the frames were encoded in text XML in a semantic schema wouldn't play on my DVD \
player fast enough or fit on the DVD,

Is that a good comparison?
If so they made a good choice.
Although it still makes little sense to me how this relates to XML unless someone is \
claiming XML is the best format for all data for all use cases.

Anyone out there with that claim?




Sent from my iPad (excuse the terseness) 
David A Lee
dlee@calldei.com


On Mar 24, 2013, at 10:21 PM, "David Lee" <dlee@calldei.com> wrote:

> Size inflation of XML over other text formats is entirely the choice of the \
> vocabulary authors not the XML itself.  I am fine with people who like their own \
> formats ...  But if they want to try to back that up by claiming its intrinsically \
> XML that necessitates verbosity I have little respect for the argument. 
> Take a quick look at the link I posted.   As a simple example JSON is NOT \
> intrinsically less verbose.    
> 
> Sent from my iPad (excuse the terseness) 
> David A Lee
> dlee@calldei.com
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2013, at 8:17 PM, "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 3/24/13 7:07 PM, David Lee wrote:
> > > This thread is really getting really unintelligible to me but hey
> > > that's why I subscribe.  Its good to have my brain hurt. I will avoid
> > > commentary on the most  but I have 2 I can't help but reply.
> > 
> > xml-dev is an excellent place to get a headache, yes.
> > 
> > > 1) (Verbosity is the other common explanation.) <shameless plug> If
> > > you truly buy into this, or don't ! ... I would love you to put your
> > > 2 minutes where your mouth is and help establish some scientific
> > > evidence. Please visit http://speedtest.xmlsh.org
> > > 
> > > I will be having a public crow-eating party with the results.  Not
> > > sure who will be eating the crow so stay tuned.  It could be me.
> > > Please help humiliate me in public.  Whatever it takes to get
> > > volunteers !
> > 
> > It's not about processing or transmission speed - rather, it's about the overhead \
> > of those _things_ stuck in the data, things which often double or treble or \
> > quadruple or otherwise inflate the size. 
> > Sometimes it's typists complaining, but the more serious complaints were from \
> > people who simply had massive datasets and didn't want the overhead, whether that \
> > overhead was in (de)compressing them or in storing and transmitting them. 
> > I started out trying to convince them otherwise, but by the fifth or sixth \
> > conversation with people who not only disliked the markup but distrusted the \
> > standards organizations who had told them to use it, I stopped. 
> > They clearly had found better solutions in simpler text formats.  It was still, \
> > in some sense, markup - it just didn't look anything like XML. 
> > Thanks,
> > -- 
> > Simon St.Laurent
> > http://simonstl.com/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > 
> > XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS
> > to support XML implementation and development. To minimize
> > spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting.
> > 
> > [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/
> > Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org
> > subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org
> > List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/
> > List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> 
> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS
> to support XML implementation and development. To minimize
> spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting.
> 
> [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/
> Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org
> subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org
> List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/
> List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php
> 

_______________________________________________________________________

XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS
to support XML implementation and development. To minimize
spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting.

[Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/
Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org
subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org
List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/
List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php


[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]