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Subject:    Re: [xml-dev] Four fine text-based data formats ... liberate yourself from one (silo) data format
From:       David Lee <dlee () calldei ! com>
Date:       2013-03-25 2:19:10
Message-ID: 167A3E5B-D30C-4A63-BACE-98DD8D061B5B () calldei ! com
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Size inflation of XML over other text formats is entirely the choice of the \
vocabulary authors not the XML itself.  I am fine with people who like their own \
formats ...  But if they want to try to back that up by claiming its intrinsically \
XML that necessitates verbosity I have little respect for the argument.

Take a quick look at the link I posted.   As a simple example JSON is NOT \
intrinsically less verbose.   


Sent from my iPad (excuse the terseness) 
David A Lee
dlee@calldei.com


On Mar 24, 2013, at 8:17 PM, "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com> wrote:

> On 3/24/13 7:07 PM, David Lee wrote:
> > This thread is really getting really unintelligible to me but hey
> > that's why I subscribe.  Its good to have my brain hurt. I will avoid
> > commentary on the most  but I have 2 I can't help but reply.
> 
> xml-dev is an excellent place to get a headache, yes.
> 
> > 1) (Verbosity is the other common explanation.) <shameless plug> If
> > you truly buy into this, or don't ! ... I would love you to put your
> > 2 minutes where your mouth is and help establish some scientific
> > evidence. Please visit http://speedtest.xmlsh.org
> > 
> > I will be having a public crow-eating party with the results.  Not
> > sure who will be eating the crow so stay tuned.  It could be me.
> > Please help humiliate me in public.  Whatever it takes to get
> > volunteers !
> 
> It's not about processing or transmission speed - rather, it's about the overhead \
> of those _things_ stuck in the data, things which often double or treble or \
> quadruple or otherwise inflate the size. 
> Sometimes it's typists complaining, but the more serious complaints were from \
> people who simply had massive datasets and didn't want the overhead, whether that \
> overhead was in (de)compressing them or in storing and transmitting them. 
> I started out trying to convince them otherwise, but by the fifth or sixth \
> conversation with people who not only disliked the markup but distrusted the \
> standards organizations who had told them to use it, I stopped. 
> They clearly had found better solutions in simpler text formats.  It was still, in \
> some sense, markup - it just didn't look anything like XML. 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Simon St.Laurent
> http://simonstl.com/
> 
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