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Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Feedback on Blink's text fragment directive proposal
From: Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa () webkit ! org>
Date: 2020-09-25 5:24:55
Message-ID: CABNRm62nEKJ1HwiohV5B-hOV=gw7s3mKfs9NDytHL70vhTUL1A () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:19 AM David Bokan <bokan@chromium.org> wrote:
> Can you clarify what question you're looking to have answered? Are you
> > asking for a new standards position in light of the replies below?
> >
>
> There are two specific points:
>
> - As I understand it, HTML requires multi-vendor interest to merge
> changes to specs. Is Apple's position sufficient to start that process? I'd
> be happy to start turning the spec into PRs but I interpreted the earlier
> position in this thread more as "not-opposed" rather than support (is that
> a fair reading?)
>
Given we're concerned about compatibility and this affects how URL, which
is a pretty fundamental part of the Web, is interpreted, it's fair to say
we're not ready to endorse such a motion.
- Would Apple accept contributions to WebKit implementing this feature?
>
> Google Search uses this on supporting UAs - user surveys have found this
> improves the user experience. A recently published extension
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/link-to-text-fragment/pbcodcjpfjdpcineamnnmbkkmkdpajjg?hl=en>
> to generate links to text already has over 50,000 users. This is clearly
> useful to users but would really be helped if we can make it interoperable
> across browsers.
>
Given the number of internet users is roughly 3.4 billion, and Chrome seems
to have ~1 billion users, 50,000 (0.005%?) seems like a rather small number
of users. I'm not saying that there aren't any user interests and I
disagree with the underlying use cases. However, the fact this may pose a
compatibility issue and affect millions of users who are using (sometimes
very) old browsers to browse the internet, that doesn't seem to suggest a
good risk-reward tradeoff.
- R. Niwa
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:19 AM David Bokan <<a \
href="mailto:bokan@chromium.org">bokan@chromium.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Can \
you clarify what question you're looking to have answered? Are you asking for a new \
standards position in light of the replies \
below?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> There are two specific \
points:</div><div><br></div><div> - As I understand it, HTML requires multi-vendor \
interest to merge changes to specs. Is Apple's position sufficient to start that \
process? I'd be happy to start turning the spec into PRs but I interpreted the \
earlier position in this thread more as "not-opposed" rather than support \
(is that a fair reading?)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Given we're \
concerned about compatibility and this affects how URL, which is a pretty \
fundamental part of the Web, is interpreted, it's fair to say we're not \
ready to endorse such a motion.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><div> - Would Apple accept contributions to WebKit implementing this \
feature?</div><div><br></div><div>Google Search uses this on supporting UAs - user \
surveys have found this improves the user experience. A recently published <a \
href="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/link-to-text-fragment/pbcodcjpfjdpcineamnnmbkkmkdpajjg?hl=en" \
target="_blank">extension</a> to generate links to text already has over 50,000 \
users. This is clearly useful to users but would really be helped if we can make it \
interoperable across browsers.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Given the \
number of internet users is roughly 3.4 billion, and Chrome seems to have ~1 billion \
users, 50,000 (0.005%?) seems like a rather small number of users. I'm not saying \
that there aren't any user interests and I disagree with the underlying use \
cases. However, the fact this may pose a compatibility issue and affect millions of \
users who are using (sometimes very) old browsers to browse the internet, that \
doesn't seem to suggest a good risk-reward tradeoff.</div><div><br></div><div>- \
R. Niwa</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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