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Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Step 1 of Plugin removal: Deleting NPAPI (and thus Flash support)
From: Dean Jackson <dino () apple ! com>
Date: 2020-01-13 18:06:46
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> On 13 Jan 2020, at 20:14, Carlos Garcia Campos <carlosgc@webkit.org> wrote:
>
> El lun, 13-01-2020 a las 05:30 +1100, Dean Jackson escribió:
> > Dear Non-Apple ports,
> >
> > Running Flash has been more difficult over the past few years as part
> > of a (semi-) coordinated effort by browsers and Adobe. The plan is to
> > remove support for Flash + NPAPI by the end of this year. See the
> > links below.
> >
> > I'd like to remove our NPAPI code soon, but I want to make sure the
> > other ports are ok with this. Please speak up if you have a reason to
> > keep it in.
>
> WPE has never supported NPAPI plugins and the GTK port removed the
> support for GTK2 plugins (flash) already in our current stable version.
> Plugins not using GTK at all (or using GTK3) are still supported by GTK
> port (some of them only under X11, though). I'm ok with removing the
> NPAPI plugins support in the GTk port, but we are at the end of the
> release cycle, so I prefer if we remove the feature right after we
> branch for the next stable version (scheduled for the 1st February). I
> could even branch earlier if needed.
Waiting until February is totally ok with me. Good luck with your release.
Dean
>
> > [Note that we will still have some plugin code e.g. our internal
> > PDFPlugin, just no support for externally installed plugins]
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > * Adobe's end of life for Flash -
> > https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/
> > * Chrome removing Flash support by end of 2020 -
> > https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/flash-roadmap
> > * Google removing support for Flash by end of 2020 -
> > https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/
> > * Mozilla removing NPAPI by end of 2020 -
> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Plugins/Roadmap
> > * Mozilla only uses NPAPI for Flash -
> > https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/
> >
>
> Thanks!
>
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type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Jan 2020, at 20:14, Carlos Garcia Campos \
<<a href="mailto:carlosgc@webkit.org" class="">carlosgc@webkit.org</a>> \
wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">El lun, 13-01-2020 a las 05:30 \
+1100, Dean Jackson escribió:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote \
type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: \
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; \
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Dear Non-Apple \
ports,<br class=""><br class="">Running Flash has been more difficult over the past \
few years as part<br class="">of a (semi-) coordinated effort by browsers and Adobe. \
The plan is to<br class="">remove support for Flash + NPAPI by the end of this year. \
See the<br class="">links below.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br \
class=""><br class="">I'd like to remove our NPAPI code soon, but I want to make sure \
the<br class="">other ports are ok with this. Please speak up if you have a reason \
to<br class="">keep it in.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, \
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">WPE has never supported NPAPI \
plugins and the GTK port removed the</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">support for GTK2 plugins (flash) \
already in our current stable version.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Plugins not using GTK at all (or \
using GTK3) are still supported by GTK</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">port (some of them only under X11, \
though). I'm ok with removing the</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">NPAPI plugins support in the GTk \
port, but we are at the end of the</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">release cycle, so I prefer if we \
remove the feature right after we</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">branch for the next stable version \
(scheduled for the 1st February). I</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: \
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: \
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; \
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">could even branch earlier if \
needed.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; \
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; \
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; \
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br \
class=""></div><div>Waiting until February is totally ok with me. Good luck with your \
release.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Dean</div><br class=""><blockquote \
type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: \
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; \
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; \
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote \
type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: \
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; \
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">[Note that we will \
still have some plugin code e.g. our internal<br class="">PDFPlugin, just no support \
for externally installed plugins]<br class=""><br class="">Dean<br class=""><br \
class="">* Adobe's end of life for Flash -<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a \
href="https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/" \
class="">https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/</a><br class="">* Chrome \
removing Flash support by end of 2020 -<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br \
class="">https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/flash-roadmap<br class="">* \
Google removing support for Flash by end of 2020 -<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br \
class="">https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/<br \
class="">* Mozilla removing NPAPI by end of 2020 -<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br \
class="">https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Plugins/Roadmap<br class="">* \
Mozilla only uses NPAPI for Flash -<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br \
class="">https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/<br \
class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: \
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