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List:       vim-dev
Subject:    RE: [kvim-dev] RE: Vim's future ?
From:       Philippe FREMY <P.FREMY () OBERTHURCS ! com>
Date:       2002-11-12 12:38:12
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> The one problem seems to me that KDevelop doesn't recognise Vim's document
> model.

True. They think they made it right and don't want to change it. Just like
Bram for vim. So we are stuck!


> I guess they've written far more popular editors themselves and
> can discount Vim as a minority interest  ;-)

KDevelop is getting quite popular and it has its own editor. And having a
vim component is cool but a minority interest for them indeed. None of the
KDevelop developers is using vim.

> > - tight control over gui: vim wants to control the gui very precisely,
in
> > places where it does not make sense. For example this is a problem when
> > resizing a window. Resizing the window sends a resize event to the text
> > frame and to the scrollbar. The resize event to the text frame is
> > transmitted to vim which decides that the text frame needs to be resized
and
> > resizes it again. I am not sure but I think it tries to resize the
scrollbar
> > too. Vim also gives pixel dimensions for everything and tries to place
> > widget himself, which conflicts with Qt's automatic widget stacking
features
> > and does not work well with our windows. By assuming vim knows better
than
> > us what the gui should do, it creates lot of problems for us. The
current UI
> > interface is probably right for X11 and console. It conflicts however
with
> > modern toolkits such as Gtk and Qt.
> 
> Would this problem be avoided if Vim wasn't embedded, but floated free as
> another top-level window? 

Then vim is not embedded, and it doesn't make sense to have a component. You
do not need components to have a vim editor running separately from
KDEvelop.

> etc) that would be another compromise that would suit me.

Not me.

> just saying I agree with Bram that radical changes may not be
> necessary. If you can't reach your original goals, how about 
> shifting the goal posts slightly?

Having an external vim window is not a goal shift, this is a goal failure.
The goal is to have a vim editor integrated into KDE. Maybe you are not
familiar with the meaning of 'integrated' when it comes to gui but separate
window is not that.

	Philippe
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