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List:       quanta-devel
Subject:    Re: [quanta-devel] Quanta+ fpr KDE 4 - GSOC
From:       Milian Wolff <mail () milianw ! de>
Date:       2010-02-25 9:47:46
Message-ID: 201002251047.46737.mail () milianw ! de
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Loren Nozot, 25.02.2010:
> Hello All!
> 
> I am a user of Quanta+.
> 
> I understand the comments and professionalism of not using a GUI to create
> a website.  However, I do use the split function to check tables and
> layout of a site to help find errors in code.

This is actually a good point. But in my eyes it would be more helpful if the 
editor would show you the error directly in the code, i.e. underline some non-
closed tag or any other kind of invalid markup. Look for example at the PHP 
and CSS plugins for KDevelop.

And to debug the actual appearance tools like Firebug are much more helpful, 
as they operate "on the whole". I could never have used the preview for this 
step of debugging, since my templates don't know what CSS they get etc. pp.

But anyways: I will only remove the code to playground so if anyone else steps 
up they can bring it back. It's just probably something I won't have the time 
for during GSoC, esp. given that I'm not particularly interested in it.

> Features I use in Q+:

I like that acronym :)

> Standard, Style, Tables, Lists, Forms, and Other tabs

I have to get my hands on Quanta 3, I have no clue what those tabs did :D

> Ability to set short-cuts for bold, button definitions, etc.

Such kind of help for editing is a must-have in my eyes. But I'll do it 
differently than in Quanta3, now reutilizing the imo awesome Snippet support in 
Kate. Of course this requires the ability to associate shortcuts with 
snippets.

> Document Structure

Here you mean the "outline" of the document, correct? I'd personally also like 
to have something more "visual" compared to the QuickOpen outline we have 
right now. Lets see whether I can get that in.

> php, html, xhtml, css coding color highlighting
> normal editing helps: indent, tabs, etc

Kate has all that, and we reuse it.

> WYSIWYG to check tables and layout as debugging tool (would be nice to have
> colored borders for cells)

see above, probably not going to happen in my GSoC

> Multiple tabs for open files, and project management

Try out KDevelop's latest beta. You'll see all that is already available and 
together with features like QuickOpen even more powerful than ever.

> Like the tools to check xhtml, html, etc.

See above, I plan to integrate some inline error checking. But this will never 
be 100% correct. For that, one should simply use tools like
http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/

I will probably not integrate it, since such static tools don't make much 
sense when you edit templates with both, PHP and HTML in it.

> Also, like the tools to reformat code into usable fashion from a previous
> site which I didn't code.

Yes, I concur. This is a very helpful feature.

Thanks for your input!

-- 
Milian Wolff
mail@milianw.de
http://milianw.de

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