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Subject: [Quanta] Re: Any progress on Quanta for KDE 4?
From: John Culleton <john () wexfordpress ! com>
Date: 2011-06-23 16:33:30
Message-ID: 201106231233.30357.john () wexfordpress ! com
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On Friday, June 10, 2011 03:27:48 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 02:15 PM, Milian Wolff wrote:
> > John Culleton, 10.06.2011:
> >> On Friday, June 10, 2011 09:26:14 am Milian Wolff
wrote:
> >>> Werner, 09.06.2011:
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the best (de facto) place/channel to watch
for news about
> >>>> those plugins being released?
> >>>
> >>> Our website (kdevelop.org), the planet
(planetkde.org) or maybe even
> >>> this mailing list. I hope to remember to write a mail
here once this
> >>> is done.
> >>>
> >>> Bye
> >>
> >> With these plugins will Kdevelop have a user interface
and a
> >> functionality similar to Quanta++? Or will I have to
learn a new
> >> package? If that is the case I can always learn Amaya
or Bluefish
> >> instead. I have both on my machine.
> >
> > No, KDevelop with these plugins will not equal Quanta3.
Instead they
> > probably aim (for now?) at a more advanced user base,
i.e. those who
> > write mostly PHP and don't need some fancy GUI to click
together some
> > HTML stuff.
> >
> > If Amaya or Bluefish fit your needs better, try them
instead.
> >
> >> Will the plugins be shipped with KDE?
> >
> > Just like KDevelop is (for now?) in extragear, so will
these plugins be
> > eventually. I'll release them together with the other
plugins. Distro
> > packagers should then create easy-to-install packages
for you, just like
> > with KDevelop and the PHP plugin.
> >
> >> It looks like the developers want to extend Kdevelop
but many users want
> >> Quanta++ back again. I Quanta++ has been abandoned as
a project then say
> >> so and I will look elsewhere.
> >
> > I'd rather say: There are no Quanta+ developers
(sadly!) and we KDevelop
> > devs try to do our best to improve what we have. Note
that most of us
> > don't have a need for Webdevelopment related things.
Niko and me only
> > invest time on a few things which we personally would
use (i.e. advanced
> > language support). Most of the old Quanta+ features
don't appeal to us,
> > hence we don't spend time on bringing them back to
live.
> >
> > Anyhow, I suggest at least trying KDevelop for PHP
development, before
> > you look elsewhere.
> >
> > Bye
>
> So, I guess the bottom line is that the best web
authoring software
> available for any OS is just going to die off due to a
lack of developer
> interest.
>
> Bluefish is a pretty fair start on a good piece of
software. Not even
> close to Quanta, but a start.
>
> Just got Amaya installed and haven't had time to play
with it much so
> can't really comment. It doesn't look as intuitive as
Quanta at a first
> glance.
>
> KompoZer is another fair start but it has some pretty bad
habits.
>
> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
If there were a way to run Quanta in a virtual window on
KDE4 machines that would do it.
Where can I find the source code for Quanta?
--
John Culleton
"Death Wore Black" Police procedural:
http://www.deathworeblack.com/
"Create Book Covers with Scribus"
http://booklocker.com/books/4055.html
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>> On Friday, June 10, 2011 09:26:14 am Milian Wolff wrote:</p> <p style=" \
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>>>> What is the best (de facto) place/channel to watch for news about</p> <p \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>>> those plugins \
being released?</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>> \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>> Our website \
(kdevelop.org), the planet (planetkde.org) or maybe even</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> >>> this mailing list. I hope to remember to write a mail here \
once this</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>> is done.</p> <p \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>> </p> <p style=" \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >>> Bye</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> >> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
>> With these plugins will Kdevelop have a user interface and a</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> functionality similar to Quanta++? Or will I \
have to learn a new</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> \
package? If that is the case I can always learn Amaya or Bluefish</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> instead. I have both on my machine.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > No, KDevelop with these plugins will not equal \
Quanta3. Instead they</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > probably \
aim (for now?) at a more advanced user base, i.e. those who</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > write mostly PHP and don't need some fancy GUI to click together \
some</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > HTML stuff.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > If Amaya or Bluefish fit your needs better, try them instead.</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> Will the plugins be shipped with KDE?</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Just like KDevelop is (for now?) in extragear, so \
will these plugins be</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > eventually. \
I'll release them together with the other plugins. Distro</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > packagers should then create easy-to-install packages for you, \
just like</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > with KDevelop and the PHP \
plugin.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> It looks like the developers want to extend \
Kdevelop but many users want</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> \
Quanta++ back again. I Quanta++ has been abandoned as a project then say</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> >> so and I will look elsewhere.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > I'd rather say: There are no Quanta+ developers (sadly!) and we \
KDevelop</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > devs try to do our best to \
improve what we have. Note that most of us</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
> don't have a need for Webdevelopment related things. Niko and me only</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > invest time on a few things which we personally \
would use (i.e. advanced</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > language \
support). Most of the old Quanta+ features don't appeal to us,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > hence we don't spend time on bringing them back to live.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Anyhow, I suggest at least trying KDevelop for \
PHP development, before</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > you look \
elsewhere.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Bye</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> So, I guess the \
bottom line is that the best web authoring software</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> available for any OS is just going to die off due to a lack of \
developer</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> interest.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
Bluefish is a pretty fair start on a good piece of software. Not even</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> close to Quanta, but a start.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
Just got Amaya installed and haven't had time to play with it much so</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> can't really comment. It doesn't look as intuitive as \
Quanta at a first</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> glance.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> KompoZer is another fair start but it has some pretty bad habits.</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> Anyone else have any other suggestions?</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If there were a way to run Quanta in a virtual window \
on</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">KDE4 machines that would do it.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Where can I find the source code for Quanta? </p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">John Culleton</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">"Death Wore \
Black" Police procedural: http://www.deathworeblack.com/</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">"Create Book Covers with Scribus"</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://booklocker.com/books/4055.html</p></body></html>
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