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Subject:    Re: [Quanta] Downloading FTP files
From:       Jerry Smith <jsmith () mt-vernon ! com>
Date:       2005-07-07 2:18:25
Message-ID: 42CC90F1.8050406 () mt-vernon ! com
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Eric,

Thanks, again, for responding to another of my questions. I finally got 
everything working on my web site and the project downloads are working 
perfectly. My problem was not recognizing the file form in the project 
folder. You have introduced something new to me, however:

Conversely SSH and SCP are very secure and usually available, certainly on any decent Linux based 
host. These can be handled with the fish:// protocol. Using ssh-keygen you 
can create passwordless keys and make access to remote sites like VPN.


As for as I know my ISP offers only FTP hosting, but I'll check. They 
don't offer IMAP.
I sure don't like the idea that my passwords are so public. I live in 
the boonies though there are other ISP's in the area. However, the one 
I'm using gives free web hosting to the association for which I'm 
handling web site design and maintenance. Thanks for the tip. I'll do 
some research around here.

Jerry



Eric Laffoon wrote:

>On Sunday 03 July 2005 5:56 pm, Jerry Smith wrote:
>  
>
>>I've been trying to set up a project with a path to my associations
>>website. I had it once and somehow lost it. Now I can get a proper path
>>to work so that I can see all the html's, images, folders etc. I know my
>>path is correct because I use it all the time. Sometimes my password is
>>not accepted and, again, I know it is correct. I've been trying to use
>>the protocol Kbearftp. Kbear works fine but not Kbearftp. I've also
>>tried FTP protocol without success. Also, on occasion the Quanta has
>>locks up when I'm trying to access my web site. Any suggestions?
>>Jerry
>>    
>>
>
>It's difficult to say. If you have any custom network setups like a proxy or a 
>firewall it's possible you need to make adjustments. Generally you would have 
>a good idea about that. Quanta uses KIO slaves and you would use 
>ftp://user@domain/path in a dialog for instance. As to not accepting 
>passwords there are potentially different causes. The server you're accessing 
>may be experiencing load and timing out. In the past KIO FTP had problems 
>with servers set up to manage typical Windows clients which did not properly 
>handshake. That means if you send a file the software assumes it got there 
>and does not look for verification. This handshaking is in the protocol 
>definition and integral to moving packets. Some servers were taking as long 
>as half a second minimum to handle the handshake, which is really quite 
>pathetic. Last I heard all the confirmed incidents of really bad handshaking 
>were being handled correctly. If you can confirm that a software package that 
>doesn't handshake works and KDE doesn't then you need to report this bug to 
>kdelibs.
>
>As a side rant, FTP is a poor choice for web hosting. When the web was a DARPA 
>project or when it just exchanged information between universities it was 
>good, but for supporting web sites it's not so good. For one thing it sends 
>your password in clear text every time you make a request and for another 
>nothing is encrypted. It's very easy to sniff an address and it's a walk in 
>the park for the most amateur blackhat to gain access. Conversely SSH and SCP 
>are very secure and usually available, certainly on any decent Linux based 
>host. These can be handled with the fish:// protocol. Using ssh-keygen you 
>can create passwordless keys and make access to remote sites like VPN.
>  
>

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