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Subject:    RE: [PHP3] Database Design
From:       "Sander Pilon" <sander () 3dnews ! net>
Date:       1999-11-08 15:29:04
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Alas, you got me all wrong then. And don't say I didnt warn you!

First of all - I'm not looking down at anyone. Second - the original author
wondered wondered why many databases werent 'properly designed'. The answer
lies within the fact (okay, assumption) that a lot of people on this list
dont know what a in computer science terms 'properly designed' database is.
If they knew what a 'properly designed' database was, then they'd
automatically make them 'proper'. They don't, so one'll have to assume they
dont know what it is. Nothing wrong with that, as you simply can't expect
everyone to know how to normalize.

Joe Davidson had a good tip for those that want to know a bit more about
database design:

-- quote --
"'MySQL & mSQL" by Yarger et. Al.(http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/msql/ ).
Chapter 2 "Database Design" has excellent coverage of the subject.
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Sander

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Newman [mailto:chris@lightwood.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 16:14
> To: php3@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP3] Database Design
>
>
> > Now, don't get me wrong here :) All I'm saying is that I think a lot of
> > people do PHP stuff in their spare time, as a hobby, and have
> other daytime
> > jobs. Most of these people have never heard of normal forms and
> > normalisation - how can you expect them to use it then?
>
> Ah yes, "hobby" programmers.  We must excuse their shitty code because
> they aren't getting paid for it, eh?
>
> What a steaming pile... take a look around you.  Speak to one of them
> and you'll find out how passionate people can be about getting a job
> done, and done right.
>
> I thought my university education was a complete waste of time (though
> it did give me chance to pick up valuable skills off my own back).  The
> tendency was to teach that it didn't matter whether your software worked
> if you could explain why in a neat looking report.
>
> Mr JR Graduate may be able to explain formally with words and pictures
> why why one particular algorithm is better than another, but can they
> apply that knowledge under pressure in a real life situation?
>
> The experience you get from "hobby" programming, and throwing yourself
> into a project for nothing other than personal satisfaction, on your own
> limited time and pocket money budget, is second to none.
>
> We need to encourage and respect these valuable members of any software
> community,  not look down our noses at them.
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Newman
> Lightwood Consultancy Ltd          Consultancy: http://www.lightwood.net
> chris@lightwood.net                 Web design:
> http://www.lightwood-design.com
>
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