'Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts'

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List:       osgeo-discuss
Subject:    Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
From:       Jonathan Moules <jonathan-lists () lightpear ! com>
Date:       2020-07-25 19:57:15
Message-ID: 873d9738-8100-1054-3e41-edc6499ff096 () lightpear ! com
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Once you've got any completed fonts, it may be worth contributing them 
to the Open Font Library: https://fontlibrary.org/

It already has a number of fonts that you may wish to draw from: 
https://fontlibrary.org/en/search?category=dingbat&order= (reinventing 
the wheel and all that) (and I learnt today that these are called 
"dingbats").

Cheers,

Jonathan

On 2020-07-24 01:36, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to gather up \
> > these original or alternate sources ... both for end users migrating to open \
> > source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own. 
> > I think this would be a great group project.
> Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here:
> https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets
> 
> What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation"
> font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the
> standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with
> identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used
> effectively as a drop-in replacement.
> 
> What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach
> osgeo for funding?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Nyall
> 
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards <bradh@frogmouth.net> wrote:
> > > I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map font is), but \
> > > if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which sound vaguely \
> > > like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN, ESRI NIMA \
> > > VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA GeoSym stuff - \
> > > MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A 
> > > If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font thing is, \
> > > you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal Working Group at \
> > > https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert warning) 
> > > The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things might be \
> > > MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated as a font \
> > > though.... 
> > > Brad
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discuss <discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf Of Nyall Dawson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM
> > > To: Even Rouault <even.rouault@spatialys.com>
> > > Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault <even.rouault@spatialys.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is that \
> > > > you have a style definition where there are tuples of (font_identifier, \
> > > > symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of layers with point \
> > > > geometries, right ?
> > > Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative freely \
> > > available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves. That's the \
> > > blocker that I've encountered. 
> > > > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts already \
> > > > covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one could possibly \
> > > > create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, ESRI_symbol_id) to \
> > > > (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you need a complete \
> > > > replacement for each proprietary font.
> > > It's the later.
> > > 
> > > > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ?
> > > There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete), which \
> > > average about 100 icons apiece. 
> > > ESRI AMFM Electric
> > > ESRI AMFM Gas
> > > ESRI AMFM Sewer
> > > ESRI AMFM Water
> > > ESRI ArcPad
> > > ESRI Arrowhead
> > > ESRI Business
> > > ESRI Cartography
> > > ESRI Caves 1
> > > ESRI Caves 2
> > > ESRI Caves 3
> > > ESRI Climate & Precipitation
> > > ESRI Commodities
> > > ESRI Conservation
> > > ESRI Crime Analysis
> > > ESRI Default Marker
> > > ESRI Dimensioning
> > > ESRI Elements
> > > ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis
> > > ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident
> > > ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites
> > > ESRI Environmental & Icons
> > > ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1
> > > ESRI ERS Operations S1
> > > ESRI Fire Incident NFPA
> > > ESRI Geology AGSO 1
> > > ESRI Geology
> > > ESRI Geology USGS 95-525
> > > ESRI Geometric Symbols
> > > ESRI Hazardous Materials
> > > ESRI Hydrants
> > > ESRI IGL Font16
> > > ESRI IGL Font20
> > > ESRI IGL Font21
> > > ESRI IGL Font22
> > > ESRI IGL Font23
> > > ESRI IGL Font24
> > > ESRI IGL Font25
> > > ESRI Meteorological 01
> > > ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers
> > > ESRI MilMod 01
> > > ESRI MilMod 02
> > > ESRI MilRed 01
> > > ESRI MilSym 01
> > > ESRI MilSym 02
> > > ESRI MilSym 03
> > > ESRI MilSym 04
> > > ESRI MilSym 05
> > > ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN
> > > ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT
> > > ESRI NIMA DNC LN
> > > ESRI NIMA DNC PT
> > > ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN
> > > ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT
> > > ESRI North
> > > ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water
> > > ESRI Ordnance Survey
> > > ESRI Pipeline US 1
> > > ESRI Public1
> > > ESRI SDS 1.95 1
> > > ESRI SDS 1.95 2
> > > ESRI SDS 2.00 1
> > > ESRI SDS 2.00 2
> > > ESRI Shields
> > > ESRI Surveyor
> > > ESRI Telecom
> > > ESRI Transportation & Civic
> > > ESRI US Forestry 1
> > > ESRI US Forestry 2
> > > ESRI US MUTCD 1
> > > ESRI US MUTCD 2
> > > ESRI US MUTCD 3
> > > ESRI Weather
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