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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: What is pulling in *-lang packages?
From:       "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas () telefonica ! net>
Date:       2024-04-20 12:54:50
Message-ID: 8f09052c-73b1-4bbe-81b6-1af7e49f9cfc () telefonica ! net
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On 2024-04-20 09:20, Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory wrote:
> (slowly getting slightly offtopic ;-)
> 
> Am 19.04.24 um 17:51 schrieb Martin Wilck via openSUSE Factory:
> 
>> Some people still have old laptops without quasi-limitless disk space.
>> Others have better uses for their disk space than storing support file
>> for languages they don't use. And it's not just disk space. It's also
>> backup space, network bandwidth, and precious user time spent waiting
>> for updates to finish.
> 
> Then be careful what you wish for ;-)
> I remember when "the big texlive modularization" happened and we went 
> from 5 to 5000 texlive packages (numbers might be slightly off).

:-)

Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep texlive | wc -l
3755
Telcontar:~ #

I may have as many not installed: what I use is LyX and deps and 
recommended.


> While this does not change the actual size of the update, the size of 
> the repo metadata exploded back then.
> (I think the other metadata explosion was when kernel packages got every 
> single function / module symbol included in their provides list.)
> 
> So if we split out each locale in each -lang package (~1700 right now in 
> Tumbleweed), we might end with 10000 -lang packages and that will again 
> make the metadata explode in size.

Not good, I agree.

> 
> In Tumbleweed it is not as bad, but try Leap 15.5, the metadata update 
> when refreshing repos is almost always way bigger than the actual 
> package updates.
> 
> But this might be solvable with some common sense: a -lang package 
> which, containing all languages is only a few hundred kB is maybe not as 
> urgent to be split up, while others like NetworkManager where the -lang 
> package is 10 times the size of the main package and contains 64 locales 
> might be worthwile targets.
> 
> So as I said: be careful what you wish for :-)

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)


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