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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 03.01.2024
From:       Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory <factory () lists ! opensuse ! org>
Date:       2024-01-05 11:57:08
Message-ID: CAKVpbdBDQrCHXkx7TDWtqy-EuRfQx0apAjJsKeOF5xCaJuS2hQ () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hello

argument taken Simon, however, the situation right now is that we have
a default wallpaper for about a year now (since Beta of 15.5 I
believe) that already has this new logo and we have about showing the
modernized logo.
That wallpaper received warm feedback, approval from the SUSE Branding
team etc.

Specifically the Leap logo modernization was happening in PRs in
github.com/openSUSE/artwork and branding way before any poll was
considered.
https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/pull/138

I'm not sure if people actually looked at the wallpaper and realized
it. So do we keep mixed logos across distro, is that what I'm reading?
I find this situation pretty awkward as arguments are turning me away
from fixing the inconsistency.

I feel people are raising arguments from the openSUSE project logo
change, also for "distribution logo tuneup".  I used tuneup on purpose
in the case of Leap, as it's effectively
slimmed-down variant of the very same logo. I'm aware that other
distributions might be in a different situation.

Cheers


Lubos

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 12:14 PM Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/5/24 19:42, Richard Brown wrote:
> > On 2024-01-04 20:34, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
> >> I get your concerns, but If you check the wallpaper in 15.6 and 15.5
> >> it's already using the "modernized Leap logo" which "luckily" also won
> >> in the survey. So far nobody complained about wallpaper and I feel
> >> that the wallpaper was accepted very well. So it's really about
> >> finishing what's already halfway done. I'm not touching any other
> >> graphics.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/blob/leap-15.5/raw-theme-drop/desktop-1920x1080.svg
> >> https://github.com/openSUSE/distribution-logos/tree/main/Leap (so all
> >> I need to do is just to submit it here).
> >
> > I interpret your above reply as "I get your concerns but we're going to
> > move ahead anyway"
> >
> > This approach, which is has been demonstrated repeatedly in this
> > process, is precisely the source of all of my dislike of any such change.
> >
> > I wholeheartedly agree with Christian Boltz
> >
> > Changing something as important as our projects identity should not be
> > forced upon the Project and we have a Membership and Membership votes
> > precisely for ensuring such major changes to the Project proceed with
> > consent of the people who make up the heart of this Project.
> >
>
> When we last discussed changing the logo several years back (We were
> considering it along with the name), The Board at the time decided it
> would be best to do such a change only with a vote by members as its
> really something that affects all parts of the project.
>
> I tend to agree with Christian and Richard here and if I am elected to
> the board for this year having a membership vote for such a change is
> something i'll bring to the board pretty quickly.
>
> I'll disagree with Axel and say that there could be valid reasons why we
> as a project would want a different logo and I believe that someone
> could create a compelling case as to why we as a project should change
> logo and present that to members. But in my opinion that's the way to
> make such a major change.
>
> --
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Best regards


Luboš Kocman
openSUSE Leap Release Manager
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