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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 03.05.2023 - MicroOS KDE
From:       Eric Schirra <ecsos () opensuse ! org>
Date:       2023-05-13 7:43:26
Message-ID: 5948613.lOV4Wx5bFT () client1
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Am Mittwoch, 10. Mai 2023, 14:57:44 CEST schrieb Neal Gompa:

> > > The number of users does not matter?
> > > But the number of contributors does?
> > > Strange way of looking at things.
> > > I think the user comes first. And all others have to follow him.
> > 
> > In a distro that is 100% volunteer based contributors matter, without
> > contributors nothing happens, yes its nice if the contributors listen to
> > what the users want but at the end of the day if there is no
> > contributors to listen to those users nothing will happen.
> 
> If you want to only hear from contributors, then we should have split
> this mailing list into two a long time ago. It was openSUSE's choice
> to have a merged users+contributors mailing list for openSUSE Factory
> based stuff. I even argued for this a few years ago during the Mailman
> migration. But the community wanted to retain it, so we did.
> 
> I will point out that contributors don't generally come out of
> nowhere. Most contributors start out as users (barring a few
> exceptions). If you're antagonistic to user feedback, that discourages
> the user-to-contributor conversion funnel, which is already small to
> begin with.
> 
> Keep in mind that "listening" != "doing". Having empathy and
> consideration for the people that use or want to use openSUSE can have
> lasting positive effects. This doesn't mean "overcommit yourself"
> (unless you want to!), but it does mean not being a jerk and making
> the developer community appear kind and approachable.
> 
> A project with no users is also a project with no contributors. That
> said, while what contributors want to do ultimately wins out, the
> messaging should be oriented around helping people become part of that
> group, not saying "your opinion doesn't matter because you're not a
> contributor".
> 
> Overall, I'm more concerned about how difficult it is to become a
> contributor, much less a regular one. The way openSUSE is developed
> makes it very hard for people to figure out how to contribute because
> it's splattered all over the place with no guidance available.
> 
> Some time ago, we set up https://contribute.opensuse.org/, but it only
> points to very generic guidance. We don't have guidance for working on
> openSUSE KDE as far as I know. Improving openSUSE KDE improves the KDE
> experience for all openSUSE "products" (Tumbleweed, MicroOS, Leap,
> etc.).

There is nothing more to add to this.
Written more dimplomatically than I can.


Regards
 Eric
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