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List:       mutt-dev
Subject:    Re: The future of mutt...
From:       Derek Martin <invalid () pizzashack ! org>
Date:       2013-10-06 18:17:07
Message-ID: 20131006181707.GQ13440 () dragontoe ! org
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On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:01:20AM -0700, Alexander Gattin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:06:35PM -0500, Derek
> Martin wrote:
> > Even if the patch was complete garbage, the
> > point is there was never any discussion from the
> > devs as to WHY. It was completely ignored for
> > three and a half years.
> 
> Yes, ignoring your patch because of
> technical/stylistic problems is wrong. Probably
> there was another reason, like the whole concept
> of gethostname() being flawed and unclear, so devs
> decided they had other things to do.
> 
> > with the trivial exception of having removed the
> > string.h header.  Since strchr() returns an int,
> 
> Well:
> >        char *strchr(const char *s, int c);
> ...
> 
> > > MUA may choose to operate offline, so some
> > > hacks around libresolv (like reading
> > > /etc/resolv.conf) are OK instead of just
> > > returning -1:
> > 
> > NO, THEY ARE NOT.  If your system is not using
> > DNS for local name resolution, then using anything
> > in /etc/resolv.conf IS WRONG.  PERIOD.
> 
> If my system is not using DNS for local name
> resolution, then I can still use
> /etc/network/interfaces (or whatever) scripts to
> edit /etc/resolv.conf just for mutt if so desired.
> 
> On the other hand, your patch breaks some of
> setups that do use DNS.
> 
> > gethostname() is NEVER wrong; it always gives
> > you the configured host name of your host.
> 
> gethostname() is wrong when you use your own
> preferred `hostname` on corporate network, not the
> one the corporate DNS server assigns to you.
> 
> Or when you connect via GPRS/PPP or any other
> dialup?
> 
> > On hosts which frequently move between networks
> > (and, I would argue, even on hosts which are
> > fixed to a given network) the configured
> > hostname should be UNQUALIFIED.
> 
> The example I've shown you was run on a system
> with unqualified hostname.
> 
> If I remove "127.0.1.1 ux280p.ckee" record from
> /etc/hosts (it's put there by Debian's installer),
> then /tmp/domainname/gethostname returns nothing
> at all. You'd prefer empty answer?
> 
> > The system should determine its qualified name
> > via whatever host name resolution mechanism it
> > is configured to use.
> 
> My system has several IP addresses and several
> hostnames (depending on interface/network). Its
> `hostname` never changes though.
> The one in example is called ux280p.
> The one I'm currently writing this email from is
> called x505.
> 
> > If you want Mutt to use something OTHER than
> > what the configured name resolution system gives
> > you, or the system has no qualified domain name,
> > you MUST configure Mutt to tell it what to use.
> 
> I could use /etc/resolv.conf just fine.
> 
> -- 
> With best regards,
> xrgtn
> 

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