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List:       mandrake-cooker
Subject:    Re: [Cooker] rpmsrate & task-kde discussion: default KDE desktop
From:       Laurent Montel <lmontel () mandriva ! com>
Date:       2007-02-14 9:17:01
Message-ID: 200702141017.02260.lmontel () mandriva ! com
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On Wednesday 14 February 2007, Vincent Panel wrote:
> On 2/13/07, Frederik Himpe <fhimpe@telenet.be> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 13 February 2007 05:25:15 Ric wrote:
> > > On Monday, 12 February 2007 16:10, Frederik Himpe wrote:
> > > > 1. In a default KDE applications, there are at least 3 different
> > > > picture viewers installed (4 if you also count Digikam/Showfoto).
> > > > This is really too much:
> > > > kdegraphics-kuickshow (task-kde)
> > > > kdegraphics-kview (rpmsrate)
> > > > gwenview (rpmsrate)
> > > > digikam (rpmsrate: digikamimageplugins kipi-plugins)
> > >
> > > At least kview is needed for viewer in krusader as well as embedded in
> > > konq. kuickshow does not work for some bmp and should be *last* on list
> > > of possibles if it must be kept. My 2cents: drop kuickshow and keep
> > > kview.
> >
> > - krusader is not installed by default, so installing kview because
> > someone *might* install krusader later, does not seem to be a good
> > argument to me. Instead, krusader should have a Requires or Suggests
> > kview to fix this issue. Keep in mind that I don't suggest to remove
> > kview entirely, I just suggest to not to install it by default.
> >
> > - gwenview also embeds itself in Konqueror, both as a viewer for single
> > files when you double click on it, and as a gallery viewer for easily
> > browsing all files in a directory.
> >
> > > > 6. kdebase-kdeprintfax and kdegraphics-kfax (rpmsrate : I do not have
> > > > a fax on my computer (probably like majority of people): please
> > > > install it only if such a device is found.
> > >
> > > -1
> > > Only install if required device is found s/b SOP but ithink is wishful
> > > thinking.  I think it is much harder to do than it sounds or would have
> > > been done by now.  It does not apply here.
> > > Your compurter _is_ a fax machine; you do not have to have external
> > > hardware. I have not used those aps but they should work just as well
> > > for computer fax as they would for a piece of deskspace sucking
> > > hardware.
> >
> > Yes, it is certainly possible, but how many people do so in reality? I
> > don't know anyone with a desktop machine using his computer to fax. In a
> > lot of countries, PSTN modems are obsolete now, so in fact not much
> > people have the right hardware, also keeping in mind that most internal
> > modems do not work in Linux. The happy few which have the correct
> > hardware, are just a too small percentage to warrant default install.
> >
> > > I have to say that if those are the only ''important''  install issues,
> > > MDV is doing good!   /me will find out tomorrow, maybe.
> >
> > Well, it is an imporant issue I think. It is still the same discussion as
> > we had years ago: <quote>"Linux installs too much duplicate apps: 3 image
> > viewers, 5 text editors, 3 web browsers,..."</quote>. The situation has
> > improved a lot, but I think there is still a lot to do in Mandriva
> > Free/Powerpack (note that in Mandriva One a lot of my proposals are
> > already reality! I would just like to extend it a bit more to default
> > free/powerpack installs.)
>
> I vote for :
>
> - Gwenview
> - No fax software
> - TaskJuggler instead of Planner (or no project management software at all)

Do you use TaskJuggler ?
it's not easy to understand how it works.
=> use kplato.

> - Konversation instead of KsIRC
> - Ktorrent
> - No more HTML editor like nvu
> - KPowersave

default into 2007.1

> - No games

Why ?

> / toys 
> - Starter guide installed by default in "documentation" and links to
> it in the default browser homepage

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