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List:       mandrake-cooker
Subject:    Re: [Cooker] rpmsrate & task-kde discussion: default KDE desktop
From:       "Vincent Panel" <yohonet () gmail ! com>
Date:       2007-02-14 8:37:54
Message-ID: 15116fd10702140037j11336c0drf6b5451e11fa25ad () mail ! gmail ! com
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On 2/13/07, Frederik Himpe <fhimpe@telenet.be> wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 February 2007 05:25:15 Ric wrote:
> > On Monday, 12 February 2007 16:10, Frederik Himpe wrote:
>
> > > 1. In a default KDE applications, there are at least 3 different
> > > picture viewers installed (4 if you also count Digikam/Showfoto).
> > > This is really too much:
> > > kdegraphics-kuickshow (task-kde)
> > > kdegraphics-kview (rpmsrate)
> > > gwenview (rpmsrate)
> > > digikam (rpmsrate: digikamimageplugins kipi-plugins)
> >
> > At least kview is needed for viewer in krusader as well as embedded in
> > konq. kuickshow does not work for some bmp and should be *last* on list
> > of possibles if it must be kept. My 2cents: drop kuickshow and keep
> > kview.
>
> - krusader is not installed by default, so installing kview because someone
> *might* install krusader later, does not seem to be a good argument to me.
> Instead, krusader should have a Requires or Suggests kview to fix this issue.
> Keep in mind that I don't suggest to remove kview entirely, I just suggest to
> not to install it by default.
>
> - gwenview also embeds itself in Konqueror, both as a viewer for single files
> when you double click on it, and as a gallery viewer for easily browsing all
> files in a directory.
>
> > > 6. kdebase-kdeprintfax and kdegraphics-kfax (rpmsrate : I do not have
> > > a fax on my computer (probably like majority of people): please
> > > install it only if such a device is found.
> >
> > -1
> > Only install if required device is found s/b SOP but ithink is wishful
> > thinking.  I think it is much harder to do than it sounds or would have
> > been done by now.  It does not apply here.
> > Your compurter _is_ a fax machine; you do not have to have external
> > hardware. I have not used those aps but they should work just as well
> > for computer fax as they would for a piece of deskspace sucking
> > hardware.
>
> Yes, it is certainly possible, but how many people do so in reality? I don't
> know anyone with a desktop machine using his computer to fax. In a lot of
> countries, PSTN modems are obsolete now, so in fact not much people have the
> right hardware, also keeping in mind that most internal modems do not work in
> Linux. The happy few which have the correct hardware, are just a too small
> percentage to warrant default install.
>
> > I have to say that if those are the only ''important''  install issues,
> > MDV is doing good!   /me will find out tomorrow, maybe.
>
> Well, it is an imporant issue I think. It is still the same discussion as we
> had years ago: <quote>"Linux installs too much duplicate apps: 3 image
> viewers, 5 text editors, 3 web browsers,..."</quote>. The situation has
> improved a lot, but I think there is still a lot to do in Mandriva
> Free/Powerpack (note that in Mandriva One a lot of my proposals are already
> reality! I would just like to extend it a bit more to default free/powerpack
> installs.)
>
I vote for :

- Gwenview
- No fax software
- TaskJuggler instead of Planner (or no project management software at all)
- Konversation instead of KsIRC
- Ktorrent
- No more HTML editor like nvu
- KPowersave
- No games / toys
- Starter guide installed by default in "documentation" and links to
it in the default browser homepage
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