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List:       lyx-users
Subject:    Re: Lilypond integration
From:       Piero Faustini <pierofaustini () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2009-03-16 23:09:25
Message-ID: loom.20090316T223721-239 () post ! gmane ! org
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Johannes Asal <johannes.asal@...> writes:

> Thanks for your answer. I was checking the nabble forum so I didn't read your
> posts. I think the External material solution is not optimal, as it forces 
you
> to interrupt your creative process. You need to switch to another application
> and create a lilypond file, then go back to lyx and import it. Of course you
> could prepare all the files before starting to write the text, but who knows
> exactly what kind of musical examples he will need in his book?

Sure. If "creative process" continuity is your need, that's pretty important. 
But I thought that creating a musical example IS a different task than write 
some text. If you just need to put in the FLOW of text some musical symbols to 
create - for example - a simple rhythm pattern or some harmony analysis, check 
the package Harmony: but not "music" at all.

If you think you can stand "import" you can do like this:
1. have a plain and blank .ly file always ready in the document directory. 
Let's call it "blank.ly"
2. Put it in the document with Insert etc. etc.
3. Rightclick on it and Select EDIT EXTERNALLY (MUCH BETTER if you have a 
proper tool already working, as I have, for example Lilypondtool + jEdit)
4. Edit file but save it with a new name, and just quit external editor
5. click on the example box and just select the new .ly file you just created 
(otherwise it would still point to "blank.ly")
6. If preview is ON, you now should see the example in the proper place, and 
edit "externally" whenever you need it.

If you have hundreds of VERY tiny examples (such a pair of chords or a simple 
melody) the process could be annoying, and you were right.
 But if your examples are just "small" (or rather medium-size), and not 
hundreds, this method have a great advantage: you can see a preview (in your 
default editor) AND a preview in LyX (otherwise, I think, you CAN'T have, and 
you should rely on your unassisted .ly writing skills - I couldn't do so!!!)

> I'm not really sure, what would be the best solution. But what I'm sure about 
is
> that there should be a solution. Not even Finale or Sibelius provide real
> support for writing musicological documents. Considering the price you have 

Finale? Sibelius? never heard oh that, should be some exotic programs ;)

Lilypond-book IS the solution for your needs, but we LyX-Lilypond users need to 
tweak harder to have it work without problems.
But, I repeat, even when we find a way to use lilypond-book, I would continue 
to use in many case the IMPORT solution - By the way, it IS NOT a import: you 
do not import anything at all, you just USE lilypond files. Importing would be 
bad, using is great: you could manually add some stuff like a "copyright" line 
in every .ly file without compiling, and touch NOTHING in your LyX doc, and 
everything would work perfect at next LyX compiling.
It's just a matter of keep .ly code in external files.

Hope to have helped you.
These days I'm very busy, but in a pair of weeks I'm going to work on the 
lilypond-book thing. I quote you "there should be a solution".
Bye
Piero




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