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Subject: archiving, confirmations, and attachments
From: "Tom Baurley" <tbaurley () baurley ! com>
Date: 2000-01-06 23:13:14
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Greets all -
I am new to majorodomo and have been moving over a large amount of lists
from a virtual host to our colocated server. I've had an interesting
experience with installation to say the least. I've however encountered
some configuration/customization issues that was not really outlined well
in the faqs. Was curious if anyone has any resources they could share,
especially in terms of an online tutorial or guide:
1. Setting up archiving and digesting
I've followed what's in the faqs and the Managing Mailing Lists
book, but the features don't seem to work right. Digesting collects
the messages in the digests folders, but can't seem to get the digest
to mail out to the list. Archiving folder remains empty so I don't
figure it's working. Thoughts?
2. Confirmations
what's the best way to change the confirmation message (not the welcome)?
Is there a way to require confirmations but just as a simple reply
message instead of the default authentication code?
3. Is there a way to suppress attachments? (besides by limiting file size)
Thanks in advance,
Tom Baurley
tom@baurley.com
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> can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
> aol.com not compliant with RFC 1893
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> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 01:54:45 -0800
> From: Robert Payne <gcplistmonger@pacific.net>
> Subject: Majordomo Hosting ( Help )
>
> My Majordomo host rolled over into Topica.
>
> The Topica service doesn't meet our club needs.
>
> I need help locating a new Majordomo host for our club of 330 plus
>
> We need a Majordomo server that will allow a monthly PDF news letter
> attachment of at least 1.0Mb
>
> Allow hassle free list management with replace list commands
> so I can run the list straight from the club data base.
>
> Is reliable, secure and not outrageously expensive. Just like the list I
> had at Esosoft
>
>
>
> Robert Payne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:33:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org>
> Subject: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been doing a lot of looking at replacing my current majordomo
> installation with a new list manager. I'd been looking at majordomo2,
> mailman, and sympa - none of which seem quite right for my needs (virtual
> domains, making it easier for users to set up mailing lists).
>
> Lyris seems to do it all, but it costs serious dollars, and isn't
> open-source.
>
> EZMLM seems to do a lot of the right things, but requires switching to
> qmail.
>
> Has anybody gone through a transition from majordomo/sendmail to
> ezmlm/qmail? Can you comment on how hard it was, things to watch out for,
> whether it was worth it?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
> **************************************************************************
> The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618
> Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA
> 02460-0006
> Director, Municipal Telecommunications
> Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946
> mfidelman@civicnet.org
> http://civic.net/ccn.html
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:58:50 +0100
> From: Olivier Salaun - CRU <Olivier.Salaun@cru.fr>
> Subject: aol.com not compliant with RFC 1893
>
> Hi,
>
> We are developing a non-delivery reports analyzer for Sympa MLM.
> This module already extracts bouncing address and error status for more
> than 90% of "bounces". The goal is to provide information about
> bouncing addresses within a web interface (WWSympa) for list-owners.
>
> Analysis is mainly based on RFCs 1891-1894 defining a MIME extension
> for Delivery Status Notifications, allowing (automatic) identification
> of recipients and error status.
>
> RFC 1893 defines Mail System Status Codes to be used by MTAs.
> Eg: 5.1.1 => User unknown ; 5.2.2 => Mailbox full
>
> I found out that aol.com is not compatible with status codes as
> defined in RFC 1893. As you can see in the sample bellow, the
> transcript of session indicates a 'User Unkown' whereas "Status"
> field of the delivery-status indicates a Success (2.0.0). This
> completely alter the analysis of error reports !
>
> Did anyone already observe such problems with other ISPs ?
>
>
> - --------------
> Olivier Salaün
>
> Here is a sample Delivery Status Notification :
>
> Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> boundary="BOUNDARY"
>
> --BOUNDARY
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to xxx.mail.aol.com.:
> >>> RCPT To:
> <<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
> 550 ... User unknown
>
> --BOUNDARY
> Content-Type: message/delivery-status
>
> Reporting-MTA: dns; listes.cru.fr
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:22:43 +0100 (MET)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; yyy@aol.com.
> Action: failed
> Status: 2.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 OK
>
> --BOUNDARY
> Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers
>
> --BOUNDARY
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:24 -0000
> From: "Becky" <becky@magor.prestel.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Majordomo Hosting ( Help )
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Believe me when I say I sympathise. I was also at Esosoft and jumped ship
> three days after the Topica announcement. I moved to Halisp and have been
> pretty happy although there was a small probably right after the New Year.
> However support was good an it was straightened out quickly. They are at:
> http://www.halisp.net/halisp/mailprice.html
>
> Also you might recall the MLA list which was for list owners and run by
> Esosoft. This list was shut down the Esosoft one hour after the topica
> announcement. We tried to reach as many other list-owners as we could but
> only managed about 10%. The MLA people moved to a list called
> EUG at Onelist
> in order to provide support for each other. I would suggest that you join
> this list. Many of the members have gone with VS servers run by other
> list-owners who were with Esosoft and for the same price and very little
> hassle.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Becky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:51:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: JT <jtraub@dragoncat.net>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > I've been doing a lot of looking at replacing my current majordomo
> > installation with a new list manager. I'd been looking at majordomo2,
> > mailman, and sympa - none of which seem quite right for my needs
> > (virtual domains, making it easier for users to set up mailing lists).
>
> You might consider looking at Listar as well (http://www.listar.org/)
> It would take a little work by the site admin to get it set up so that
> users could set up their own lists, but it should be doable.
>
> - --JT
>
> - --
> [-----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
> ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the
> morning ]
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:02:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Peter Losher <Peter.Losher@nominum.com>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > EZMLM seems to do a lot of the right things, but requires switching to
> > qmail.
>
> I would also suggest looking at Listar (http://www.listar.org/) It does
> what you are looking for in your message, and it's MTA independent (I used
> it under Sendmail before going to Postfix and Listar works beautifully
> under both MTA's)
>
> And it's open source :)
>
> Best Wishes -Peter
> (A satisfied user)
>
> | Peter Losher | SysAdmin - Nominum, Inc. | Peter.Losher@nominum.com |
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:36:16 -0500 (EST)
> From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> JT and Peter Losher both suggested I look at Listar.
>
> To which I ask two followup questions:
>
> - - it looks like Listar still requires some manual playing with
> the virtual
> user and alias databases (at least with sendmail, exim, and postgres) - is
> that correct?
>
> - - it looks like Listar will generate all the files needed to work with
> qmail, but requires that some info be manually added to the qmail "global
> alias file" - this is different behavior than ezmlm, which seems to do
> everything automagically - again, is this correct?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miles
>
> **************************************************************************
> The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618
> Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA
> 02460-0006
> Director, Municipal Telecommunications
> Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946
> mfidelman@civicnet.org
> http://civic.net/ccn.html
>
> Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century
> Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere
> Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!"
> **************************************************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:13:08 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dave Sill <de5-list-managers@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >Has anybody gone through a transition from majordomo/sendmail to
> >ezmlm/qmail? Can you comment on how hard it was, things to
> watch out for,
> >whether it was worth it?
>
> ezmlm (with the ezmlm-idx add-on) makes Majordomo look like a bad
> hack. Likewise for qmail vs. sendmail.
>
> I've used majordomo+sendmail, majordomo+qmail, and ezmlm+qmail. I
> think ezmlm+qmail is the best in terms of performance, reliability,
> and manageability, and it's well worth the effort to switch.
>
> I recommend installing ezmlm+qmail on your existing list server (just
> don't install qmail-smtpd (on port 25) or qmail's "sendmail"). That'll
> allow you to play with qmail and ezmlm without interfering with your
> majordomo+sendmail setup.
>
> Once you've migrated the lists to ezmlm, you can turn off sendmail and
> install qmail-smtpd.
>
> Painless and low risk.
>
> See:
>
> http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html
>
> For help installing qmail.
>
> - -Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:33:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: JT <jtraub@dragoncat.net>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > - it looks like Listar still requires some manual playing with
> the virtual
> > user and alias databases (at least with sendmail, exim, and
> postgres) - is
> > that correct?
>
> Yes, but that could be handled by a wrapper script which when invoked
> set up the virtual domain files for the MTA, set up the config file
> for the virual host for listar, invoked listar -newlist with that correct
> virtual host config file, and then put the output of that in the right
> form for the MTA aliases file.
>
> > - it looks like Listar will generate all the files needed to work with
> > qmail, but requires that some info be manually added to the
> qmail "global
> > alias file" - this is different behavior than ezmlm, which seems to do
> > everything automagically - again, is this correct?
>
> I don't know anything personally about qmail, so I will leave that to
> someone else to answer. EZMLM most certainly does some things
> automagically, but that's because it's part and parcel with qmail and
> unlike listar won't work with anything but (or so I am given
> to understand).
>
> - --JT
>
> [-----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
> ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the
> morning ]
> [-----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:33:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jeremy Blackman <loki@maison-otaku.net>
> Subject: Re: aol.com not compliant with RFC 1893
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Olivier Salaun - CRU wrote:
>
> > I found out that aol.com is not compatible with status codes as
> > defined in RFC 1893. As you can see in the sample bellow, the
> > transcript of session indicates a 'User Unkown' whereas "Status"
> > field of the delivery-status indicates a Success (2.0.0). This
> > completely alter the analysis of error reports !
> >
> > Did anyone already observe such problems with other ISPs ?
>
> Yes; welcome to my personal hell. After discovering that /only/ Sendmail
> actually implements the RFC1893 spec completely correctly, I gave up and
> wrote a temporary method for Listar that just parses certain specific
> bounce formats, and then tries to determine the information if it is not a
> bounce format it recognizes.
>
> I am currently trying to come up with a much more general way that will
> work with the busted MIME information I have seen in several bounce
> messages. I would fold that parser into Listar again, but I would also be
> happy to work with others to make a bounce parser that is more
> general-purpose and could be folded into other packages as well.
>
> - --
> Jeremy Blackman - loki@maison-otaku.net / loki@listar.org /
> jeremy@lith.com
> Lithtech Team, Monolith Productions -- http://www.lith.com
> Listar Developer -- http://www.listar.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:40:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jeremy Blackman <loki@maison-otaku.net>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > - it looks like Listar still requires some manual playing with
> the virtual
> > user and alias databases (at least with sendmail, exim, and postgres)
> > is that correct?
>
> This is true for pretty much anything that is MTA-independent. Listar
> does generate the data for you, though, and you can just paste it into the
> appropriate file. I have all my Listar aliases in a 'listar.aliases'
> file, and so when I make a new list, I just do:
>
> listar -newlist mylist >> listar.aliases
>
> And the new aliases are added properly, and then I just rebuild the
> aliases file. This works for qmail using the Sendmail-compatible aliases
> module, as well.
>
> > - it looks like Listar will generate all the files needed to work with
> > qmail, but requires that some info be manually added to the
> qmail "global
> > alias file" - this is different behavior than ezmlm, which seems to do
> > everything automagically - again, is this correct?
>
> Listar does not run as root; in fact, the code checks and actively demotes
> itself back down to lose root permissions if you try to run it as root,
> logging a warning. As a result, though, the .qmail-<foo> files cannot be
> placed in the ~alias directory for qmail, if you tell Listar to create
> them. This means you have to become root and copy them over to the qmail
> global aliases directory... but that is a matter of a 'cp' command. :)
>
> ezmlm can do everything automagically because it links directly into the
> mailserver. Listar, the goal was to not tie it to any one package. :)
>
> The place where ezmlm beats everything else, hands down, is that
> individual users can create their own ezmlm lists in their own
> directories, since they can create per-user aliases. Listar could
> probably be made to work with qmail per-user aliases (or the Postfix
> delimited-forward files, for that matter) but would need to be modified to
> run as the user; that is something on the todo list already.
>
> - --
> Jeremy Blackman - loki@maison-otaku.net / loki@listar.org /
> jeremy@lith.com
> Lithtech Team, Monolith Productions -- http://www.lith.com
> Listar Developer -- http://www.listar.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:46:09 -0700
> From: "Marsha Petry" <mpetry@uswest.net>
> Subject: experiences with mail merge and scheduling in MLMs
>
> I've only been on this list for a short time, so please feel free to
> redirect me to another list if this is off-topic for this list...
>
> I'm looking for an MLM (or alternatives would be considered) that could
> handle the following:
>
> 1. scheduling sends of moderated messages (ie send out message x at 1am,
> messages y,z at 2am etc...).
>
> This one I can find in most MLMs in varying forms but I also need this:
>
> 2. mail merge capability. I prefer to be able to send a message
> template, a
> control file, and a data file to a "merger" that would make substitutions
> from the data file into the message template based on directions from the
> control file. Extracting the data from a database would be
> another option.
>
> Anybody have some experiences in this area as to what would be a good MLM
> for these needs? I've looked at Majordomo, Listar, Sympa,
> Listproc, ezmlm,
> Listserv (and unless I've missed some documentation on the others Listserv
> is the closest to what I need, and that's what I may opt for, though it's
> pretty pricey).
>
> If no MLM fits my needs, any suggestions on what open source code might be
> the best to look at as far as modifying for my needs? Someone on
> the ezmlm
> list suggested modifying qmail for the mail merge feature -
> sounds OK. Any
> other experiences?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Marsha Petry
> mpetry@uswest.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:23:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Jeremy Blackman wrote:
>
> > The place where ezmlm beats everything else, hands down, is that
> > individual users can create their own ezmlm lists in their own
> > directories, since they can create per-user aliases. Listar could
> > probably be made to work with qmail per-user aliases (or the Postfix
> > delimited-forward files, for that matter) but would need to be
> modified to
> > run as the user; that is something on the todo list already.
>
> this is more along the lines I've been looking for - any idea when this
> might make its way into listar?
>
> Miles
>
> **************************************************************************
> The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618
> Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA
> 02460-0006
> Director, Municipal Telecommunications
> Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946
> mfidelman@civicnet.org
> http://civic.net/ccn.html
>
> Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century
> Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere
> Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!"
> **************************************************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:18:31 -0500 (EST)
> From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Brian,
>
> Thanks very much for the reply. It's sounding more and more like a switch
> to qmail and ezmlm is in the cards.
>
> A few followup questions:
>
> > First, the switch to qmail - it alone is well worth it, even if
> you stick
> > with majordomo.
>
> Are there any gotchas I should watch out for, and/or any suggestions for a
> smooth transition - first from sendmail to qmail (while keeping my
> majordomo lists functional) and then from majordomo to ezmlm?
> Unfortunately, I have to do this on a single, leased host that's
> supporting ongoing operations - ideally, I'd like to figure out a way to
> run both systems in parallel and do a rolling cutover domain-by-domain.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Miles
>
> **************************************************************************
> The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618
> Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA
> 02460-0006
> Director, Municipal Telecommunications
> Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946
> mfidelman@civicnet.org
> http://civic.net/ccn.html
>
> Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century
> Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere
> Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!"
> **************************************************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:13:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jeremy Blackman <loki@maison-otaku.net>
> Subject: Re: experiences with mail merge and scheduling in MLMs
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Marsha Petry wrote:
>
> > Anybody have some experiences in this area as to what would be
> a good MLM
> > for these needs? I've looked at Majordomo, Listar, Sympa,
> Listproc, ezmlm,
> > Listserv (and unless I've missed some documentation on the
> others Listserv
> > is the closest to what I need, and that's what I may opt for,
> though it's
> > pretty pricey).
>
> Listserv does what you need out-of-box, though it can be a royal nightmare
> to set up that way at times and is a bit pricey, as you note.
>
> I /think/ Lyris can also do this, and is probably slightly less pricey.
>
> > If no MLM fits my needs, any suggestions on what open source
> code might be
> > the best to look at as far as modifying for my needs? Someone
> on the ezmlm
> > list suggested modifying qmail for the mail merge feature -
> sounds OK. Any
> > other experiences?
>
> Well, for my own part, I can suggest Listar (surprise) for modification
> simply because the whole thing is based around a dynamic and extendable
> architecture. Writing a 'mailmerge.lpm' to plug-in could cover your need
> there fairly well, though you will then have to send each message
> separately... not /as/ bad as it could be, though, if you are running
> qmail (as it would seem). Listar already has hooks for per-user message
> modification, but nothing implements functionality on those hooks yet; the
> mail merge concept would be one that could make use of that.
>
> Of course, I will readily admit that my viewpoint is biased; JT and I
> wrote Listar that way specifically so we could add new features (or other
> people could) as needed without having to change the core code.
>
> - --
> Jeremy Blackman - loki@maison-otaku.net / loki@listar.org /
> jeremy@lith.com
> Lithtech Team, Monolith Productions -- http://www.lith.com
> Listar Developer -- http://www.listar.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 06 Jan 2000 16:22:20 -0800
> From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org> writes:
>
> > Are there any gotchas I should watch out for, and/or any suggestions for
> > a smooth transition - first from sendmail to qmail (while keeping my
> > majordomo lists functional) and then from majordomo to ezmlm?
>
> For help on running majordomo under qmail, see my FAQ:
> <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mjqmail.html>
>
> - --
> Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 06 Jan 2000 16:21:26 -0800
> From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Dave Sill <de5-list-managers@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> writes:
>
> > I've used majordomo+sendmail, majordomo+qmail, and ezmlm+qmail. I think
> > ezmlm+qmail is the best in terms of performance, reliability, and
> > manageability, and it's well worth the effort to switch.
>
> The sendmail vs. qmail switch depends a lot on both how experienced you
> are with setting up mail systems and how much you think like qmail. qmail
> is a package which seems to be highly intuitive for some people (far more
> intuitive than any other MTA) and at the same time highly unintuitive for
> other people. Dave's Life With qmail document is highly recommended.
> qmail is very much unlike sendmail.
>
> As for ezmlm vs. majordomo, well, I'm currently maintaining the majordomo
> with qmail FAQ and I'm considering switching to ezmlm instead. :) You
> want the -idx version so that the old majordomo commands still work as
> your users expect them to, and there are definitely some interesting
> differences in how ezmlm does things, but the automatic bounce management
> all by itself is probably worth the price of admission.
>
> I don't have experience with mailing list software other than majordomo
> and ezmlm, so I'll leave the additional recommendations to other folks.
>
> - --
> Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:37:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> Dave,
>
> A followup question:
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Dave Sill wrote:
> > I recommend installing ezmlm+qmail on your existing list server (just
> > don't install qmail-smtpd (on port 25) or qmail's "sendmail"). That'll
> > allow you to play with qmail and ezmlm without interfering with your
> > majordomo+sendmail setup.
> >
> > Once you've migrated the lists to ezmlm, you can turn off sendmail and
> > install qmail-smtpd.
>
> any thoughts on how to get sendmail/majordomo and qmail/ezmlm to run at
> the same time - each serving some lists
>
> as far as I can tell, I can't configure both sendmail and qmail to listen
> on port 25 - each listening for different things
>
> so.. it seems like what I'd have to do is have either sendmail or qmail do
> the smtp listening, and hand off a range of addresses to the other
> program's queue -- any thoughts on how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:49:45 -0500 (EST)
> From: John R Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
> Subject: Re: can anybody share experiences w/ EZMLM?
>
> > as far as I can tell, I can't configure both sendmail and qmail
> to listen
> > on port 25 - each listening for different things
>
> Right.
>
> > so.. it seems like what I'd have to do is have either sendmail
> or qmail do
> > the smtp listening, and hand off a range of addresses to the other
> > program's queue -- any thoughts on how to do this?
>
> It's not hard. Assuming that you have sendmail listening on port 25, just
> set up the alias file to call qmail-queue for the addresses that you want
> qmail to handle.
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet
> for Dummies",
> Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl,
> Sewer Commissioner
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:39:59 -0800
> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@monkeys.com>
> Subject: EGROUPS.COM Blacklisted
>
> Just a brief appeal to any of you out there who might be thinking of
> setting up a mailing list with the help of EGROUPS.COM. Please don't.
>
> In fact if you are adverse to spam, you may just want to do what I
> have just done here, and blacklist the entire egroups.com domain,
> either at your router or in your mail server control files, so as
> to avoid being placed on various EGROUPS.COM spam lists without your
> consent. (See example below.)
>
> Seriously, this is SOOOOOOOOO lame. These people are pretending to
> be professional list administrators, and not only are they spamming
> but they apparently can't be bothered with little things like, oh,
> CONFIRMING list subscriptions before they finalize them.
>
> Well, gotta run now. I'm off to www.egroups.com. I gotta sign up
> <president@whitehouse.gov> to a few dozen of their stupid non-confirming
> lists. Oh yea! And I musn't forget <graydavis@governor.ca.gov>!
>
>
> Ron Guilmette
>
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