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Subject: Re: Review Request: Add two options regarding mouse invocation when
From: Thomas_Lübking <thomas.luebking () web ! de>
Date: 2011-11-03 21:06:23
Message-ID: 20111103210623.21405.75003 () vidsolbach ! de
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> On Aug. 23, 2011, 6 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > I don't mind much and cannot comment on the usefulness (given that I use click to \
> > focus). Maybe we could ask in the bug reports users whether this improves the \
> > situation for them?
Bumping for 4.8, sorry.
From the comments in the bug reports, preferring the mouse seems expeted/demanded and \
it does make sense (shifts "focus" from keyboard usage / ctf to mouse usage / f(s)um)
I've added the mouse moving for completeness, but personally consider it a completely \
braindead idea (the mouse is usually where the users focus is, one should not steal \
it - that's just as aweful as stealing the window focus)
So i'd suggest to add the mouse preference to activateNextWindow and maybe in \
addition add comments to FSUM like
<h1>Warning</h1>
"Focus (strictly) under mouse" is an extreme focus handling near plain X11 which will \
likely distress people used to systems from Redmond or Cupertino. You can try, but do \
not expect to like it.<br> "Focus follows mouse" is the more convenient alternative \
for those looking for a mouse driven focus assignment.
- Thomas
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On Aug. 18, 2011, 8:03 p.m., Thomas Lübking wrote:
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> (Updated Aug. 18, 2011, 8:03 p.m.)
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> Review request for kwin and Martin Gräßlin.
>
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> Description
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>
> Passing the on the focus to the client under the mouse makes sense in a mouse \
> driven focus scheme like FFM (but i didn't restrict it, so it can be used with CTF \
> as well) Whether ensureing the pointer to be under the currently active window \
> makes sense or is sane, i don't know. I know that E17 has it, that it's a \
> complement to the above, and that it's pretty much a one liner. *shrug*
>
> This addresses bugs 80897 and 159989.
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80897
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159989
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> Diffs
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> kwin/activation.cpp 911e9e6
> kwin/kcmkwin/kwinoptions/windows.h f7a8658
> kwin/kcmkwin/kwinoptions/windows.cpp ad20a8a
> kwin/options.h 4dab3ac
> kwin/options.cpp 6522e44
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> Diff: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102371/diff/diff
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> Testing
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> Yes, focus end up under mouse w/ and in focus chain w/o. Cursor jumps correctly in \
> a single screen setup (moeved back the other screen - but given that xrandr is just \
> a HUUUGE screen area, i doubt it makes any difference)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thomas Lübking
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On August 23rd, 2011, 6 p.m., <b>Martin \
Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p> <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid \
#d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
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break-word;">I don't mind much and cannot comment on the usefulness (given that I \
use click to focus). Maybe we could ask in the bug reports users whether this \
improves the situation for them?</pre> </blockquote>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Bumping for 4.8, sorry. \
From the comments in the bug reports, preferring the mouse seems expeted/demanded and \
it does make sense (shifts "focus" from keyboard usage / ctf to mouse usage \
/ f(s)um)
I've added the mouse moving for completeness, but personally consider it a \
completely braindead idea (the mouse is usually where the users focus is, one should \
not steal it - that's just as aweful as stealing the window focus)
So i'd suggest to add the mouse preference to activateNextWindow and maybe in \
addition add comments to FSUM like
<h1>Warning</h1>
"Focus (strictly) under mouse" is an extreme focus handling near plain X11 \
which will likely distress people used to systems from Redmond or Cupertino. You can \
try, but do not expect to like it.<br> "Focus follows mouse" is the \
more convenient alternative for those looking for a mouse driven focus \
assignment.</pre> <br />
<p>- Thomas</p>
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<p>On August 18th, 2011, 8:03 p.m., Thomas Lübking wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for kwin and Martin Gräßlin.</div>
<div>By Thomas Lübking.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Aug. 18, 2011, 8:03 p.m.</i></p>
<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">Passing the on the focus to the client under the mouse makes sense in a \
mouse driven focus scheme like FFM (but i didn't restrict it, so it can be used \
with CTF as well) Whether ensureing the pointer to be under the currently active \
window makes sense or is sane, i don't know. I know that E17 has it, that \
it's a complement to the above, and that it's pretty much a one liner. \
*shrug*</pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
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-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">Yes, focus end up under mouse w/ and in focus chain w/o. Cursor jumps \
correctly in a single screen setup (moeved back the other screen - but given that \
xrandr is just a HUUUGE screen area, i doubt it makes any difference)</pre> </td>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80897">80897</a>,
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159989">159989</a>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>kwin/activation.cpp <span style="color: grey">(911e9e6)</span></li>
<li>kwin/kcmkwin/kwinoptions/windows.h <span style="color: \
grey">(f7a8658)</span></li>
<li>kwin/kcmkwin/kwinoptions/windows.cpp <span style="color: \
grey">(ad20a8a)</span></li>
<li>kwin/options.h <span style="color: grey">(4dab3ac)</span></li>
<li>kwin/options.cpp <span style="color: grey">(6522e44)</span></li>
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<p><a href="http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102371/diff/" style="margin-left: \
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