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Subject: Re: BIC in libkopete in 4.6.90
From: Lamarque Vieira Souza <lamarque () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-07-14 21:47:19
Message-ID: 201107141847.19236.lamarque () gmail ! com
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Em qui 14 jul 2011, Michael Zanetti escreveu:
> On Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:50:08 Lamarque Vieira Souza wrote:
> > Em Thursday 07 July 2011, Raphael Kubo da Costa escreveu:
> > > Michal Zajac <michal.zajac@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > Yes, it is exactly as Raphael said, after the build is finished
> > > > pkgkde-symbolshelper checks for new or removed symbols and this one
> > > > popped out. If the symbol is for ex. not public we just remove it
> > > > without doing anything but from what I saw and confirmed with thiago
> > > > this one is public and can't be removed without any binary
> > > > compatibility problems.
> > >
> > > I remember we discussed not keeping BC in libkopete a few months ago,
> > > but no official decision was made.
> > >
> > > We need to either add that symbol back or officially decide we will not
> > > keep BC and raise the soversion of libkopete.
> > >
> > > For now I think we could just add the symbol back and deprecate
> > > it. Lamarque, what do you think?
> >
> > I think we should make libkopete private. Kopete is dying, almost nobody
> >
> > cares about it anymore, only me is adding new features to it and in the
> > transition to KDE 5 I really doubt anyone will step up to port it to Qt
> > 5. There is no reason to incentivize anyone to use libkopete, so there
> > is no reason for it to be public. I will restore the symbol and declare
> > it deprecated. I am really thinking in abandon Kopete. Too much trouble
> > for almost nothing.
>
> Following the telepathy mailing lists I know that telepathy devs have no
> intentions to extend the framework to support plugins other than protocols.
> This makes for example end-to-end encryption (like OTR and GPG plugins)
> impossible to be added to the framework but rather to each application
> again. Having such plugins in the application layer again somehow kills
> the scope of such a framework as telepathy.
>
> Until this situation changes I know that A LOT of people would cry really
> loud if kopete would vanish away. Keep that in mind before dropping it ;)
I am not going to drop it, at least not until KDE 5 appears. I am just
not commiting any patches to kopete's repository. I am keeping the patches
only to myself.
--
Lamarque V. Souza
http://www.geographicguide.com/brazil.htm
Linux User #57137 - http://counter.li.org/
http://planetkde.org/pt-br
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Em Thursday 07 July 2011, Raphael Kubo da Costa escreveu:</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > > Michal Zajac \
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-qt-user-state:0;">> > > > popped out. If the symbol is for ex. not \
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margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > > > without doing anything but from what I saw and \
confirmed with thiago</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > > > this one is public and can't be removed \
without any binary</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
> > compatibility problems.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > > I remember we discussed not keeping BC in libkopete \
a few months ago,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
> but no official decision was made.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > > We need to either add that symbol \
back or officially decide we will not</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > > keep BC and raise the soversion of \
libkopete.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
> For now I think we could just add the symbol back and deprecate</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > > it. Lamarque, \
what do you think?</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > I think we should \
make libkopete private. Kopete is dying, almost nobody</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > cares about it anymore, only me is \
adding new features to it and in the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > transition to KDE 5 I really doubt \
anyone will step up to port it to Qt</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > 5. There is no reason to incentivize \
anyone to use libkopete, so there</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > is no reason for it to be public. I will restore the \
symbol and declare</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
it deprecated. I am really thinking in abandon Kopete. Too much trouble</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > for almost \
nothing.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Following the telepathy \
mailing lists I know that telepathy devs have no</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> intentions to extend the framework to \
support plugins other than protocols.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> This makes for example end-to-end encryption \
(like OTR and GPG plugins)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> impossible to be added to the framework but rather to each \
application</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> again. \
Having such plugins in the application layer again somehow kills</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> the scope of such a \
framework as telepathy.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> Until this situation changes I know that A LOT of people \
would cry really</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> loud \
if kopete would vanish away. Keep that in mind before dropping it ;)</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> I am not going to drop it, \
at least not until KDE 5 appears. I am just not commiting any patches to kopete's \
repository. I am keeping the patches only to myself.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Lamarque V. Souza</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://www.geographicguide.com/brazil.htm</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Linux User #57137 - \
http://counter.li.org/</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://planetkde.org/pt-br</p></body></html>
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