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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: Krayon & KIllustrator
From:       Thomas <zander () xs4all ! nl>
Date:       2000-11-20 21:20:28
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John, while you are right in a lot of points here I think that the original 
comment was directed at the user interface, where the color requestor
was a quick refrence to where Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator differ most.

The point I think you should consider is that the 2 appications can be embedded 
as parts into each other and should not differ to much if you switch from
one application to another. It looks kind of wierd when I click a krayon part
in a KIllustrator document and my interface is changed beyond recognition.

At the moment the Krayon interface is totally different from any KOffice app, 
while I believe you have good reasons to do so, the user is left with 2 
learning curves.

Just trying to give my perspective while changing the GUI is still an option ;)

Keep up the good work!


> Lennart Kudling wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > i had no chance to check out John's (surely) great work, yet. But i had 2
> > short ideas, which i'd like to share.
> > 
> > 1) Adobe Photshop and Illustrator are great pieces of software and they
> > interoperate very well. The only thing i could critisize (at least the 1
> > year old incarnations of them) is, the similar but different gui-look and
> > -behaviour. Therfore i would recommend, that KIllu and Krayon should look
> > and feel very much the same. Most important example is the
> > "color-pick-widget" (?). The Corel Draw ansatz of KIllu suc^H^H^H isnt
> > very convinient. Such things should be shared or be the very similar in
> > both apps.
> > 
> > 2) I had an idea for name to replace the awkward and wannabe
> > "KIllustrator": it's "Kurve". No it's not german.
> > 
> > (Because of time constraints i'm only able to explore and have ideas at
> > the moment. I hope to get my hands dirty in 2-3 months.)
> > 
> > What do you think ? Are there any plans about that even ?
> > 
> > --
> 
> I don't know how to reply to this.  You are right that Krayon and
> Killustrator should share as much as possible.  Killustrator is the more
> mature app, and perhaps Krayon should use code from killustrator where
> possible.  However, colors are handled very differently in the two apps
> because one primarily concerns shapes and the other pixels.  Krayon MUST
> use the full 32 bit color, at least, or gray.  Not so with Killustrator.
> Killustrator really can't use Krayon's color but they can use the same
> Kde standard color requestor, which Krayon already uses in addition to
> its custom one. I'd assume Killustrator uses the standard kde color
> requestor, and can check again.  
> 
> Most importantly, Koffice apps should be compatible with each other. Not
> necessarily look like Adobe photoshop.  The fact that Adobe and
> Killustrator work together in most ways is great, but the goal is to
> have what we need in KOffice, without having to use proprietary apps.
> 
> There is no way for me to test Adobe photoshop as I don't have the hard
> disk space to reinstall Windows.  At best, I can compare with Gimp. 
> Someone else who does have better equipment than I do and has all these
> apps installed can make suggestions.  I only have 2.5 gig hard drive. 
> Hard to believe... Surprisingly, I'v managed to make room for what I
> need for now.
> 
> Please try the current version of Krayon when you have time.  It's not
> great yet, but will be, especially with help if you want to get your
> hands dirty.  Kurve is a catchy name.  This is up to the Killustrator
> developer and making name changes also involves documentation and
> translation headaches, though.  I've yet to change "kimageshop" to
> "krayon" everywhere yet.
> 
> John

-- 
Thomas Zander                                            zander@earthling.net
The only thing worse than failure is the fear of trying something new
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