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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: paragraph tool
From:       Thomas Zander <zander () kde ! org>
Date:       2008-07-03 14:32:51
Message-ID: 200807031632.51517.zander () kde ! org
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On Thursday 3. July 2008 15:02:48 C. Boemann wrote:
> > Yeah, I've been meaning to ask why you think that's a good idea.
> > Specifically since we already discussed this and everyone on #koffice
> > disagreed that it would be useful.  So why did you commit anyway, did
>
> you
>
> > make a big change since?
>
> Actually I've discussed this with several people on #koffice and they
> agreed on the concept.

Are we talking about the same discussion?

The points where your suggestions fail are multiple; the user needs to 
manually organize more dockers and has to manually figure out which ones fit 
together and which ones don't
With the suggestions of boudewijn to use a different size or at least a 
smaller style for the dockers, having multiple tabs will make things look bad 
since those tabs are from Qt dockers and thus will not use this smaller size.

The problem that we detected earlier that its hard to make stuff look good by 
having a pre-defined ordering gets worse if you make each tool show multiple 
tabs. Especially if they get added/removed automagically on changing tool.

Last; it would be weird that *tools* get the option to have multiple dockers, 
but most dock-plugins don't. So people may get confused why some tabs can be 
re-arranged and others can't.

As I said, when we discussed this on IRC some weeks ago people agreed with 
these points.
I'd summarize it as "we should design proper dialogs, not get the user to pick 
up our slack".

So, can you please answer my first question?  Why do you think this is a good 
idea? :)
I'd love to be convinced why users are in need to have 3 dockers instead of 3 
tabs in the tool-options-dialog.

> > > Locally I've used that to put the current tabs of the text tool into
> > > separate dockers. Well not quite, as I now only have a character docker
> > > and a paragraph docker. The style lists are incorporated in these two
> > > dockers.
> >
> > Separate from that, some other devs have been working on fixing some
>
> issues
>
> > with the same docker, based on the same IRC discussions :)
>
> No, i've talked to Aron Stansvik, and he hasn't worked on it, so was just
> taking over :)

Hmm, I'm disappointed about that :( Aron and I had a lot of design discussions 
about what the docker should look like. If he doesn't plan to do that anymore 
I'll see if I can make some time for it.
I believe in the design we made there which would work good for the various 
user groups we focus on.

Thanks for your efforts, looking forward to your reasons for splitting the 
dockers.
-- 
Thomas Zander

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