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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: State of kugar: was: Re: kudesigner crash before startup
From:       Jaroslaw Staniek <js () iidea ! pl>
Date:       2006-01-20 14:25:30
Message-ID: 43D0F2DA.9080306 () iidea ! pl
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Boudewijn Rempt said the following, On 2006-01-20 11:24:

> On Friday 20 January 2006 09:19, Andreas Bierfert wrote:
> 
>>Hi, some time ago I submitted this bug:
>>http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117263
>>
>>As the release of Fedora Core 5 is getting closer, I as the Fedora Extras
>>maintainer for koffice would love to have a working version of kudesigner
>>by then so if anybody could look at this bug? Please? :) I am more then
>>willing to provide more information if requested.
> 
> 
> In general, Kugar is the component that makes me worry most. We had a big 
> strafe this summer about whether we should include Kugar or not. There has 
> been some work done on Kugar, but it's still not obvious what one should do 
> after starting either kugar or kudesigner -- i.e, no templates, no 
> start-new-template option. I don't get a crash starting either, though.
> 
> But if I right in thinking that KPlate use Kugar for its reports, we should 
> include kugar in our release, of course. 
> 
> But giving users direct access to something this impenetrable seems like a bad 
> idea. I've already asked Sven to remove Kugar from Koshell, because it 
> clearly isn't something you can use from the gui.

Yeah. More apps in koshel means actually less. There's no simple usage path 
provided by allowing me to create even simple report with Kugar. It's like the 
app forces me to know how Kugar works (it's almost about internals...), it has 
no auto-discovery feature of most GUI apps we have. OTOH, good that there's 
documentation for Kugar.
I can imagine another reviewer e.g. from LinuxMagazie who could not use the 
stuff, what can hurt overall rating for KOffice's 1.5.

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  Jaroslaw Staniek / OpenOffice Polska

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