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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: [KPresenter] UI redesign
From:       Laurent Montel <lmontel () mandrakesoft ! com>
Date:       2002-04-29 12:31:47
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Le Monday 29 April 2002 14:18, Thomas Zander a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 01:54:01PM +0200, Laurent Montel wrote:
> > Le Monday 29 April 2002 11:03, Thomas Zander a ?crit :
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:41:02AM +0200, Percy Leonhardt wrote:
> > > > Hiya!
> > > >
> > > > I have a 89k-patch for KPresenter doing the following:
> > > >
> > > > - remove configuration-entries for pie, rectangle, picture and
> > > > polygon from toolbar and menus
> > > > - rename 'Configure Pen & Brush' to 'Configure Properties' and move
> > > > it in the format-toolbar
> > > > - make 'Configure Properties' the last entry in all rmb-menus
> > > > - when selecting one object or several objects of the same kind
> > > >   (e.g. rectangles or pies) and opening the properties-dialog you
> > > > will get another tab to configure your rectangle or pie
> > > > - in styledia.cc moved the configuration for pen and brush into their
> > > > own classes ('ConfPenDia' and 'ConfBrushDia')
> > > >
> > > > Advantages:
> > > > - we can completly remove the settings-toolbar and the corresponding
> > > >   menu-entries
> > > > - the rmb-menu gets clearer. No 'Configure'- and 'Properties'-entry
> > > > in it, only the 'Properties'-entry remains.
> > >
> > > Takes away confusion from the user b/c the properties dialog(s) now do
> > > just one thing; change the object you selected.  No more 'Q:I changed
> > > the properties and nothing happened.  A:you have to select that object
> > > first'.
> > >
> > > > Disadvantages:
> > > > - at the moment default-settings are no longer possible (you always
> > > > have to select an object to get the configuration-dialog for that
> > > > sort of objects)
> > >
> > > There are some ways to do this; but after this change is commited we
> > > can look into which is best. The following comes to mind.
> > > - on creation show the dialog and save the changes for later creations.
> > > - add a combo to save a state and allow that to be used in other
> > > objects.
> >
> > It's not very easy to understand it.
> >
> > > - Simply save the setting each time the dialog is OK-ed and use those
> > > settings when creating a new object.
> >
> > No this method is not good, because each time we click ok we save
> > parameter. => default parameter will change each time we click ok
> > => it's not a default parameter.
> > => it's default parameter from last object !
> >
> > > - take more time to provide sane, hardcoded defaults.
> >
> > hardcoded defaults ? No good !
> >
> >
> > no for me it's very important to provide default parameter for object.
> > With current design we can provide default parameter.
> > No nobody will understand how to provide default value.
> >
> > kpresenter use the same method as openoffice, when we don't select a
> > object we can define default value.
> >
> > Reagrds.
>
> Again; please check with people if they actually first set the defaults and
> then make the objects. Since that is the only way to use the defaults.
>
> In all my years of helpdesk and usability testing I never ones found a
> non-techy who did it with defaults.

Yes but there is some people we want to make default value no ?
For example : Polygon : I want to create a polygon with 5 line, I don't want 
to redefine each time my conf.

>
> You may like it, but I want to bet that you are one of the very few.
>
> I suggest we apply the patch and when we have users in beta2 that miss the
> feature the suggestion of Percy can be added.
> Any problem with that?

For me :
"

Suggestion:


I add an entry under 'Settings' -> 'Configure KPresenter' with 4 Tabs
where you can set the default-settings for pie, rectangle, polygon and
picture. I think 'picture' won't make any sense, but let's give the user
the option...

"
it's a very good idea.
=> apply patch + this feature. 

Regards.

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