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List:       koffice
Subject:    Re: Question about your KPresenter's review
From:       Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy () thyrsus ! com>
Date:       2002-03-05 6:49:24
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On Monday 04 March 2002 07:52 am, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:32, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
>
> Well, having Windows partition doesn't hurt.

Eric wanted to have at least one machine in the house with a Windows 
partition, for experimental purposes.  ;-)


> If you use Linux on the same machine - Windows installed on another
> partition won't slow your operations.
> [sorry for off-topic for this mailing list, but I guess this needed
> clarification]
> But indeed you would like to use Lunux for e-mails, web, etc. - any
> network-related operation.

Which I certainly am doing.  KMail is my mail client now.



> It still lefts me wondering why Windows installed on newer computers is
> *slower* than on previous ones?
> It's really not the first time when I hear this.
> Ok, it's known that Windows NT and Windows 2000 is much slower when
> installed on the same typical office computer (128MB of RAM or less,
> non-SCSI disk, etc.) But why the same Win98SE is getting slower after
> "computer upgrade"? Can it be that Microsoft puts some "slowdon cycle" code
> inside recent builds of *old* Windows 98?

Maybe the "upgrade" adds that many extra lines of code?  I know that Windows 
has always been a code hog, and the newer versions are even more so.

I'm no expert of course.  :-)



>
> |   > Despite all problems with WYSIWIG KWord 1.1 has, it's still great
> |   > tool for PDF generation.
> |
> |   Is it? I have had very little time to experiment with KWord.  I have
> | found it very good for documents that are essentially straight text, but
> | somewhat frustrating if I need to format something like an outline, where
> | different blocks of text are indented differently.  I have to post those
> | comments to this group (and I apologize for not having done so yet).
>
> Indeed, it's very good - especially KWord 1.2 from KDE CVS.
> It has true WYSIWIG.

Ah.  I think someone else has mentioned that.  I have 1.1, still.  I will 
have to give 1.2 a try.


>
> I believe MS Word is used, in 95% of cases, just for very simple tasks.
> For example, couple of years ago I was using it just for printing out
> faxes, which is usually 1 or 2 pages.

I'm a lawyer, and we use it for all document needs, from simple text to long 
documents with footnotes and funky symbols.  Naturally, the longer the 
document the more it strains Word.  But our major clients are on Windows 
systems, so we need to stick with Word so we can pass drafts to them.  :-(



> KPresenter vs. PowerPoint issue is much more complex.
> I have quite complex and quite big presentations (sometimes, over 100
> slides), and sometimes people include into presentations even movies.
> So, it's a pity that we don't have working PowerPoint -> KPresenter import,
> as it could simpolify life a lot.

Eric has some thoughts on this that you may not have caught from the earlier 
discussion. There is a useful Linux presentation app called Magic Point (the 
development group appears to be Japanese and based in Japan) that can do lots 
of cool things, but has no user interface at all.  I believe Eric suggested 
that if somebody could write a GUI front end for Magic Point, there would be 
at least one really impressive Linux presentation software package out 
there....



> well, PDFs are not very common here.

I guess not, or I'd have heard the term before.


> People usually tend to exchange MS Word's .doc files with each other.

More's the pity.  :-(


> So, working Word filter (with support of all MS *features*) is more
> critical for me than PDF support.
> But, I can assure you that English-speaking people will love PDF generation
> feature of KWord as well.

I'll be looking forward to trying it.


>  Just moving from Word to KWord reduced disk consumption from
> |   > 31K to 5K, which can be a HUGE disk space saving (and network
> |   > BANDWIDTH saving) in case you mail those datasheets to partners, and
> |   > have a lot of them (both datasheets and partners).
> |
> |   Er, Vadim, I'm sure that's true.  But I don't understand how that is
> | likely to affect me as a user.
>
> Wel, imagine you get 1000 messages, each with 30K Word attachement.
> In total, you will get 30K x 1000 = 30MB in your mail folder.
> If you get 1000 messages with KWord attachement of 5K, you will download
> only 5MB.
> And this gives you a huge difference on *dial-up* connection.

Ah.  I don't have a dial up connection,either at home or work; we have DSL.

Also, I personally don't do very much downloading.  However, Eric does, and 
that's one reason he agitated for us to get DSL at home.  So I see the point 
now.  Thanks.


> |
> |   Please note that I have not criticized KWord on this basis.  The
> | criticisms that began this thread are all based solely on my use of
> | KPresenter, in which I began a new slide show that did not attempt to
> | incorporate information from *any* Windows-based or Microsoft program.
>
> ok, I see.
> I just wanted to make clear that we are aware about issues with filters,
> and fixing them will make many users happy.

Great!


> |   We tried to download OpenOffice, but it broke each time I tried even to
> |   create a new document in it.  :-(
>
> may be, you should wait a little bit StarOffice6 release.

I'm looking forward to trying StarOffice 6.0 too.  I asked the Sun 
representatives at LinuxWorld Expo when to expect it, and they said sometime 
in May.  


-- 
Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

"The meeting of personalities is like the contact of chemical substances; 
if there is any reaction, both are transformed."  Carl Jung
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