[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread] 

List:       kmail-devel
Subject:    Re: Bug#24532: integration of kmail with knode
From:       Don Sanders <sanders () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-04-22 16:48:51
[Download RAW message or body]

A purging facility for old read mail would be nice. Please see the code for 
purging the trash folder, I believe it can be generalized.

Personally I'm ok with the concept of merging KMail and KNode, but in my 
opinion the merged application should be a new third application, the old 
standalone applications should continue to be supported too, some people 
prefer seperate tools.

If I was to try to create a merged application I would just take the code 
from KMail and KNode, temporarily fork them, make a new application, then 
finally work out the best way how to merge the changes back into original 
trees. The final step will require discussion with us.

About your yacc problem read $QTDIR/src/moc/README and make sure you aren't 
trying to use GNU bison.

BFN,
Don.

On Sunday 22 April 2001 16:09, Alan Chandler wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:12:45 +0200, you wrote:
> >On Sunday 22 April 2001 07:03, vkhaitan@iitk.ac.in wrote:
> >> Why not kmail is integrated with knode, as other email clients like
> >> outlook express, netscape has done.
> >
> >I don't see any integration of mail/news in Netscape besides the fact that
> >they just put everything in one binary. The only thing you get this way is
> >bloat.
>
> Because its useful.  I too have been thinking about this - I am
> currently using Agent (not the free version, but the one that
> integrates news and mail) on top of Wine which does this.  There are
> some things in news readers which would also go very nicely with a
> mail package used primarily (as in my case) for mailing list traffic
> rather than individiual mails.  Agent has some disadvantages (non
> hierarchical folders and lack of automatic old mail purge) which
> because its not open source I can't do anything about.
>
> I have been thinking of switching over the kmail, and I have been
> trying to track the CVS source so that I could learn what it does and
> then make the changes. [As an aside I am totally failing to do this -
> I have a debian woody system and have been struggling with libraries
> installed via .debs and those in the source.  (Debian File Hierarchy
> Stardards are at orthoganal branch to what qt and kde use as their
> standards and I am not sure how to specify ./configure parameters to
> match it). Yesterday as an act of despair, I planned to build
> everything from qt upwards from source - and remove all the debian
> stuff related to this.  I finally got through to the
> www.kde.org/cvsup.html page for instructions (it timed out on me most
> of yesterday) and did a cvsup from qt-copy and up - only to find that
> doing the first make on the qt directory the make broke throwing up
> yacc errors in moc.y :-( .  Now I don't know what to do!]
>
> The way I run Agent, is that I have filter rules which pulls each
> mailing list into a separate folder.  The folders then look like
> subscribed newsgroups.  Then a single press of the space bar scrolls
> down the first unread message a page at a time, and then onto the next
> unread message in the same group, and eventually onto a new group.
> Mail and News are treated identically, so I just move on from one to
> the other.  [I note with interest the patch from Stephan Kulow which
> appears to put this important facility into Kmail - unfortunately
> because of the problems above I haven't tried it yet - actually I did
> try the first version of the patch, but it didn't cross folder
> boundaries as Stephan later confirmed]
>
> The important facility that Agent is missing and which I wanted to see
> if I could add to kmail was the facility to purge read messages after
> a couple of weeks like it is possible to do on the newsgroups (on a
> folder specific basis only of course, and with the ability to put a
> specific message lock to prevent that particular message being purged)
> - which when you get a couple of hundred messages a day from all the
> mailing lists is a necessary admininistrative need. [Again I have been
> following the discussion on filtering - wondering if this is already
> being worked on]
>
> Ideally I would like something like the way the new IMAP interface has
> been added, in that you create a new account which instead of POP3 or
> IMAP is NNTP.  Of course with NNTP it has to act as a cross between
> IMAP (in which there are multiple folders) and POP3 - in that they get
> sucked into your local machine.
>
> [It is possible to for me to get round this by using Mailman to create
> local mailing lists that are gated to news, since the newsgroups that
> I subscribe to stays pretty static - but frankly this is a bit of a
> kludge]
>
> I have never tried to use Netscape - but I have seen the way that
> Outlook express pretends to integrate the news and mail and doesn't -
> I get the impression that Netscape takes a similar approach.  This is
> not what is needed and WOULD lead to a bloated package.
>
> What I would like to see is a recognition that from a user perception
> news and mailing lists are pretty well the same concept and that when
> the majority of mail is of this form then there are strong arguments
> for bringing the software to manage these two activities into a single
> application.
>
>
> Alan
>
> alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk
> http://www.chandler.u-net.com
> http://www.chandler.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> Kmail Developers mailing list
> Kmail@master.kde.org
> http://master.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kmail
_______________________________________________
Kmail Developers mailing list
Kmail@master.kde.org
http://master.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kmail

[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]