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List:       kmail-devel
Subject:    Re: Fwd: KMail
From:       Reginald Stadlbauer <reggie () troll ! no>
Date:       2000-03-04 21:51:32
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2000, you wrote:
>> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>> Subject: KMail
>> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:57:21 +0100
>> From: Reginald Stadlbauer <reggie@troll.no>
>> Hi!
>Hi,
>
>> As you two seem to be the people who work most on KMail recently:
>> I'm using now KMail from KDE2 since some days and have noticed that the
>> listview is used a bit strange. Here I mean that you use
>>  multi-selection and implement an own keyboad handling.
>
>The keyboard handling is a bit messed up.This is a known problem.
>
>> Well, the selection modes were bad until Qt beta 2. As we switched to
>>  that in KDE now, I'd suggest to use in the headers listview the
>>  Extended selection mode.
>>
>> This works like single selection mode (when doing key-up/key-down,
>> mouseclick, etc.) but with combination of SHIFT or CONTROL multiple
>>  items can be selected. 
>
>Hmm, shift, and control selection is already supported. Are you simply saying 
>I can simplify the code and keep to a consistent standard by using extended 
>selection mode?

Yes, exactly.

>> Works like in the detail view of the windows
>>  explorer or so.
>
>Okay, some funky stuff does happen in windows explorer when you select files 
>by mouse dragging, I'm guessing you don't support that? (I mean the way you 
>select files by clicking and dragging in explorer).

Well, I guess not all is doen exactly the same way as on windows, but quite
similar.

>> So I think this selection mode should be used and
>>  don't reimplement the keyboard handling (I want to be able to use
>>  key-up/key-down when the listview has the focus, etc.).
>
>Hmm, key-up/key-down, to iterate through the list of messages rather than to 
>scroll the html pane you mean?

Well, I want to navigate in the widget which has the focus - just the normal
way...

>Personally I'm against this whole focus thing, I think it's confusing to the 
>user, unnecessary, makes users less productive and leads to physical injury 
>through stressful tab/shift-tabbing.
>
>I want to eliminate the concept of an active pane (folder tree, headers list, 
>html pane) in KMail and perform all common actions using single letter 
>non-modified keystrokes.
>
>I used Outlook Express (4) for a while and it's poor keyboard handling (due 
>to its use of active panes) drove me nuts.

Well, I like focus and working with apps which have working focus handling
which is not the case in KMail currently.

-- 
Reggie

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