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List:       kmail-devel
Subject:    Re: Confusion over 'you wrote'/'fred wrote'
From:       Ingo =?iso-8859-1?q?Kl=F6cker?= <ingo.kloecker () epost ! de>
Date:       2001-12-31 11:45:54
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On Monday 31 December 2001 10:48, Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Sunday December 30, 2001 03:21, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > - - if you can think of a good icon for reply-to-list which clearly
> > conveys it's purpose then we'll add it to the action list so that
> > everyone can decide for himself if he wants it in his toolbar.
>
> Hm, only idea I can come up with is to have a scroll or something
> mailing *list*-inspiring superimposed on the Reply icon.

O.k. And now you have to find someone who draws it. ;-)

> > - - but why do you need an icon for this in the first place. why
> > don't you simply use the shortcut key [the default being 'l']. this
> > is much faster than moving the mouse to the toolbar, finding the
> > right reply icon and clicking on it.
>
> KMail is a graphical mail client, not a text-based one, that's why.

Then why do we constantly get complaints that using KMail without a 
mouse should be improved? Even if KMail is a GUI mail client this 
doesn't mean that you mustn't use keys instead of the mouse.

> > - - reply-to-sender is possible via the rmb menu on the senders
> > email address. as you anyway seems to use the mouse to reply to
> > messages why don't you simply use this feature.
>
> Because KMail is a graphical client, and that feature has no
> graphical presence whatsoever, I had no idea that feature existed. 
> Obviously the original suggester never saw it, either.  Does anyone
> who doesn't follow KMail development know about it?

Sorry, but that's complete BS. Of course we have a GUI representation 
for this. It can be found in the Message menu. GUI programs don't need 
icons for every feature. Only the most common features should also be 
represented by an icon. For all other features it's enough to list them 
in the (pull down) menus (and maybe some context menus) especially if 
we lack a good icon for this feature.

BTW, we should probably add Reply to List to the message header context 
menu whenever the folder holds a mailing list.

Furthermore "Reply List" should IMO be changed to "Reply to List" (or 
"Reply To List" or "Reply to list"). "Reply List" sounds weird.

> > - - if a reply-to header is set then the reply MUST go to the
> > reply-to address. a reply-to-sender will only confuse all those
> > non-mailinglist-experts. after all, on private mail reply is
> > identical to reply-to-sender [and if not then it's not identical on
> > purpose], but joe user won't know this and will be very confused by
> > this additional reply-to-sender option.
>
> Confusion on one hand, and annoyance on the other for users on KDE
> and other mailing lists whose admins see fit to insert the list as
> the reply-to.  Better avoid the confusion, because it's not KMail's
> fault how a mailing list is configured.

Exactly. Thanks for your understanding.

Regards,
Ingo
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