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List:       kfm-devel
Subject:    Re: KFM & new koffice website
From:       Jeremy Blosser <jblosser () firinn ! org>
Date:       1999-09-14 14:23:32
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Dawit Alemayehu [adawit@earthlink.net] wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Jeremy Blosser wrote:
> > I'm working on a new version of the KOffice pages at
> > http://koffice.kde.org/.  I've got them done, but I'm having some trouble
> > viewing them with KFM.  It crashes more or less randomly when loading
> > pages.  Sometimes it does fine, then later I load the same page and it just
> > dies.
>
> Can you please try it with a current version of kfm to see if the problem still
> occurs.

Yes, I realized after I sent this that with the pending 1.1.2 release I
needed to try the latest... hopefully I can tomorrow.

> > You can see the new pages at http://koffice.cymry.org/ (the faq and
> > katabase links are dead ends, the rest work).  It's all 100% W3C HTML 4.0
> > transitional compliant, and there's nothing particuarly odd in there.  The
> > table background is something KFM can't view, but I don't think this would
> > be causing the crash... it wasn't when I first was testing things out with
> > the early versions a month or so ago.
> 
> Well, I consider the "style=" tag inside the table to be a little be odd just
> because I do not see its usefullness in this particular case.
> 
> line # 25
>     <td valign=middle align=center rowspan=2 width="100%"
>       style="background: #ffffff url(pics/all_shot_banner.gif)">&nbsp;</td>
> 
> What is the purpose of using CSS in this case ?  On the down side though it
> prevents kfm and older versions of Navigator from displaying the page as
> intended.  In fact,  the latest version of Netscape displays exactly the same
> it would have if you have not used style sheet :
> 
>     <td valign=middle align=center rowspan=2 width="100%">
>       <img src="pics/all_shot_banner.gif">&nbsp;</td>

No, it isn't the same.  If you use a regular img tag, the size is absolute.
If you use a background image instead, it is dynamic.  Thus people aren't
forced to widen their window or scroll just for an image if they have a
thinner one.  And if they happen to have a very wide window, it'll fill the
available space, which just looks better.

It's done using style= instead of just background= because background=
isn't a part of the HTML 4.0 spec for td tags, and the recent versions of
the browsers that support background= also support the style sheet method.
KFM doesn't do either (at least not in the versions I have, I'll check the
latest ASAP), so I chose the standard-compliant one.

> > Another thing -- it only happens when I view the pages remotely.  If I
> > serve them locally, it doesn't crash at all.
> 
> Ummm ... why does this sound familiar ?  Could you please try browsing the
> site after clearing the cache ...

I know it still happens after I 'rm ~/.kde* ~/Desktop/ /tmp/k*' ... I
assume one of those includes the cache. (/tmp/kfm_$UID_cache/, isn't it?)

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Jeremy Blosser   |   jblosser@firinn.org   |   http://jblosser.firinn.org/
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