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List:       kde-www
Subject:    Re: Development
From:       Adriaan de Groot <groot () kde ! org>
Date:       2005-04-02 20:46:27
Message-ID: 200504022246.27772.groot () kde ! org
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On Saturday 02 April 2005 14:22, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > On April 1, 2005 05:53 pm, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > > This all falls under the category of develop stuff doesn't belong on
> > > kde's main page, but in developer.kde.org
> > > -Removing "Development Source Code" from the Download box
>
> Wow, I guess that link is never actually used by anyone here.

I just clicked on it. It takes you to 
http://developer.kde.org/source/index.html . I cannot find another link to 
the same location elsewhere on the main page. Under the "Development" menu 
section there is a single other link to d.k.o. So this is not a duplicate 
(not in the sense of dict:duplicate anyway). Similarly, the other links you 
want to remove are mostly tidily placed under a "Development" header where 
you might expect development issues to live. 

Anyway, we can bikeshed all we want about individual links. What we have here 
is a failure to communicate (given the initial reactions to your message) 
exactly:

* what you want to change
* and why

When dealing with dupes or other things, posting a screenie with annotations 
scrawled on it (ie. with kolourpaint) would be a big help. It would clean up 
the discussion a good deal.


So.

What do we want to communicate with the front page? What is the logic behind 
the separation into the various menu boxes? What puts things on the left (vs. 
on the right?). What criteria put links on the front page, anyway? Those are 
questions we have to answer before (or during which) we can shuffle stuff 
around and slim the page down.

Let's, like, look at the page as it is now. It is very much a portal page, 
with announcements, news, and apps from RSS feeds as its main content, along 
with gobs of links (54 of them in the menus). Man, this feels just so much 
like KControl. You could, for instance, provide more "depth" in the menus by 
reducing them to just the headings (What is KDE / Get KDE / Deploy KDE / Help 
KDE / Contact / Mirrors ; News / Projects / Community / Applications) and add 
a level of indirection to reduce the clutter (old saying "there is no problem 
that cannot be solved by an additional level of indirection"; it's not in 
Homer though).

Or do something completely different instead. I don't care _what_, as long as 
whoever proposes it can explain why it's a good choice and back it up with a 
reasoned explanation (and ideally, some numbers -- I hear 6.23 * 10^28 is a 
burly fellow with a knack for "convincing" folks).


> > Or a virtual working group that would take time to design and submit a
> > proposal? Or at least having some kind of plan?
>
> Starting small:
> *Remove duplicate links

There was a recent thread (here? on -devel?) about starting a web-team, which 
was greeted with enthusiasm and then fell flat dead on its face with no 
followup with actual _content_.

That said, I think it'd be a very good idea. Someones to watch over the 
*.kde.org sites and try to keep them (a) sane (b) coordinated. The recent 
change in looks wasn't exactly communicated very well to the various 
subdomains -- especially those that live outside of KDE CVS. Olaf is still 
fixing up freebsd.k.o and solaris.k.o, I understand. 

-- 
These are your friends - Adem
    GPG: FEA2 A3FE Adriaan de Groot
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