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List:       kde-www
Subject:    Re: Hello KDE-webteam
From:       Olaf Schmidt <ojschmidt () kde ! org>
Date:       2005-03-03 11:43:14
Message-ID: 200503031243.25848 () amen-online ! org
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Hi Claire!

[C.M.Lotion, Donnerstag, 3. März 2005 05:54]
> Ok, do you have a certain tool that you prefer/recommend?

I have not used these tools very often, but I have tested klinkstatus 
(from the kdewebdev module) and of the online tool 
http://validator.w3.org/checklink

Both tools list a number of false positives, so you need to check the 
results. The output of the w3 link validator is far more detaile, which 
can be either an advantage and a disadvantage, depending on your 
preferences.

If you use klinkstatus, then you might wish to increase the waiting time 
in th preference to get fewer false positives.

> I have used CVS to checkout stuff, but I usually sent the result to
> someone with commit permission. Anyway, I don't mind learning, since I
> am also using it for the Dutch KDE site with Cervisia.

To become familiar with the PHP framework, you could checkout the pages 
with broken links from CVS (module www) and send us patches. And if you 
are sending enough patches, then sooner or later someone will be annoyed 
enough to ask you to get a CVS account and commit yourself. ;-)

> some would take a lot of time and effort to design and implement.

Yes, but we can start to collect ideas for reorganising the home page. 

> One of the comments I often got, was that KDE.org looked
> as if it was solely for developers or experienced users, that already
> know where to look and don't really mind a minimalistic style.

One of the problems is that we link to every subsite of KDE from the home 
page, which means a lot of links.

Most of these links don't need to be on the home page if we find a good 
way to organise them. For example, some of the subdomains are directed at 
experienced users only. I also think that we don't need to link to all 
KDE application sites from the home page. 

One idea would be to have several link pages in the 
http://www.kde.org/family directory (e.g. apps.php, resources.php, etc.) 
and link them prominently on top of the home page.

> Cleaning up the links and including a powerful search mechanism on or
> via the main page would really help new and old users/contributors to
> find their way around, and would thereby make http://www.kde.org more
> popular and more valuable to both new and old KDE-users and developers.

I agree. We already try to make kde.org a kind of portal by having links 
to current news stories and applications, but we can do better.

> I was thinking of an advanced search page that offers groups of search
> criteria:
[...]

I really agree with your suggestion, but the tough part will be to 
implement this. Currently we are using google for the search function 
because we don't have our own. Has someone an idea how to implement this 
great search function idea?

> It would, for instance, fit perfectly into some kind of search kioslave
> that searches both your local documentation and online sources.

This ioslave is really a very good idea, especially if we integrate it 
with the Wiki also. And it would fit really well to the general focus KDE 
4.0 will have on better search functionality.

> - Use CVS/subversion for the website maintenance and translation of
> information.

We already use CVS, and we also have code in place to allow for 
translation. We just need to make a more consequent use of the 
translation framework to achieve what you are suggesting.

> I would love to see a fully integrated KDE 4.0 desktop and community,
> with the above or similar improvements, because I, like so many others
> around the globe, believe that KDE is a great project with even greater
> potential. 

Indeed.

I really hope that we will find the technical solutions to achieve what 
you are suggesting. I think the most difficult part is the online search 
function for kde.org. This needs to be in place for writing the ioslave.

Olaf

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