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List:       kde-www
Subject:    Re: private wiki access
From:       Jason Bainbridge <jbainbridge () gmail ! com>
Date:       2005-03-03 5:58:35
Message-ID: d6491f480503022158188d0876 () mail ! gmail ! com
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Okay right now I am in no shape to set this up but by tomorow evening
I'll open up an acount for wiki.kde.org with SSH access and
co-ordinate with Luci to get the wiki setup and don't anticipate any
problems so we will be back up and runining in no time.

Cheers,
Jason


On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:02:41 -0500, Navindra Umanee
<navindra@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote:
> Olaf Schmidt <ojschmidt@kde.org> wrote:
> > Thanks for clarifying the wiki hosting situation for us. I think it is
> > reasonable for you to spend your time for the tasks you are interested
> > in. Your contribution to the Dot is very important to KDE, and I hope
> > someone will be found to do the similarly important job of administering
> > the KDE Wiki.
> 
> Please note that these are two very demanding services and when one
> goes wrong it can take the whole system down with it.  Even when
> things don't go horribly wrong, there are always big complaints about
> performance and short periods of downtimes caused for one reason or
> another.  This has been a concern of mine for a while, even before the
> recent crash.
> 
> The server is only reverting to its primary function which is to host
> KDE Dot News, a very important service for KDE and which people
> constantly remind me needs better uptime.  It is currently doing that
> satisfactorily and as I have mentioned time and time again, I have
> already spent and will be spending a lot of time to make sure service
> will be stellar in the long term.
> 
> Maybe someone will thank me when they notice the dot is working
> better?  No, I didn't think so.  That's not what I need or want
> either.
> 
> I have offered to admin or help admin the Wiki on the new server that
> Jason has generously offered, if we decide to go with that, and if
> desired or required.  We haven't fully worked out the details yet but
> if things go well it will happen very soon, the Wiki will have a new
> home all to itself and the Dot will continue to enjoy its current
> stability.  (If our aging server doesn't crumble.  I am maintaining
> offsite and incremental backups in case of such an event.)
> 
> This is a net win for KDE.
> 
> Please also note that Luci is and always has been the main maintainer
> of the Wiki.
> 
> > I would like to straighten out that I the private mail I have sent should
> > not be interpreted as an attempt to judge between Stephan and you. I am
> 
> Your words do not make Steve's rudeness and lack of respect any more
> acceptable to me, whether on a public list or not.
> 
> My message is simple and to the point.  It's point blank.  I will not
> be insulted and ignorantly ordered about at the same time.  This has
> been met point blank by a direct insult and zero gratification.
> However masked and subtle the insult may be and mixed with other
> stuff, I won't tolerate it.
> 
> I do have tolerance for feedback emails that I get from KDE newbies
> and always meet them with respect and helpfulness no matter what their
> tone.  However, insults over months and years, from somebody who knows
> and has previously been told that I don't appreciate that attitude is
> where I draw the line.
> 
> > I have the impression that you are frustrated for a very good reason. But
> > please use a different tone when posting emails to this list. You can use
> > private mails if you feel that you cannot avoid being rude.
> 
> I am happy to work for KDE, even in the background and not be
> acknowledged, but to have that work constantly challenged and/or
> insulted by ignoramuses without any real knowledge of the situation
> and work being done, and without any real intention of ever helping or
> contributing, that is where the line is drawn.
> 
> I understand you have sensibilities to strong language, and I'm sorry
> I hurt them.  I at least hope that a message is getting through.  I
> don't care for sly or subtle insults mingled with orders.  If you want
> to play a game of insults, then that's all you get back.
> 
> Thanks,
> Navin.
> 
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